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Was trawling ebay and came accross this seller from China, now don't get me wrong, maybe i'm just paranoid about all these Chinese fakes that are doing the rounds, but would be interested in some of the older hands of the forums opinions on some of his coins http://cgi.ebay.com/Florin-1899-AEF-Scarce-NR-/310217802273?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483a6c0221

Ok, so what am more paranoid about if these are fakes, is the fact there is a few British sellers buying of this guy, 1 of note, i've seen before and someone quoted him selling junk most of the time anyway but the problem could now be is that he's gonna sell these of as originals. Take a look at the Chinese sellers feedback and you'll see who i mean.

As i said, maybe i'm just paranoid.

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You're probably paranoid.

It's a woman assuming the name is correct. I've bought a few things off her in the past with no indication of any dodgy pieces, though many have been dipped. The one in the link doesn't appear to have been dipped though looking at the toning. And uncs aren't usually.

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Ok cheers Rob, Chinese sellers are off my limits

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Was trawling ebay and came accross this seller from China, now don't get me wrong, maybe i'm just paranoid about all these Chinese fakes that are doing the rounds, but would be interested in some of the older hands of the forums opinions on some of his coins http://cgi.ebay.com/Florin-1899-AEF-Scarce-NR-/310217802273?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483a6c0221

Ok, so what am more paranoid about if these are fakes, is the fact there is a few British sellers buying of this guy, 1 of note, i've seen before and someone quoted him selling junk most of the time anyway but the problem could now be is that he's gonna sell these of as originals. Take a look at the Chinese sellers feedback and you'll see who i mean.

As i said, maybe i'm just paranoid.

We've bought from nyame too, and we were happy. One of Richparfishing's favourite coin sources, by the way.

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Number 59 please.

(Special Fried Rice).

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Was trawling ebay and came accross this seller from China, now don't get me wrong, maybe i'm just paranoid about all these Chinese fakes that are doing the rounds, but would be interested in some of the older hands of the forums opinions on some of his coins http://cgi.ebay.com/Florin-1899-AEF-Scarce-NR-/310217802273?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483a6c0221

Ok, so what am more paranoid about if these are fakes, is the fact there is a few British sellers buying of this guy, 1 of note, i've seen before and someone quoted him selling junk most of the time anyway but the problem could now be is that he's gonna sell these of as originals. Take a look at the Chinese sellers feedback and you'll see who i mean.

As i said, maybe i'm just paranoid.

Hmmm, I'm mildly suspicious. Whilst there are undoubtedly some genuine coins there, if you look at the other items on offer by the same seller, there seem to be a hell of a lot of uncirculated old florins and shillings.

Don't know, but I do have reservations ~ oh and thanks for the heads up on Richparfishing, Declan. I did notice in Nyame's feedback that most of the purchases were his (on the first page, anyway).

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Im on the suspicious side of the fence , theres a few that just dont look right , sure they look real...just something overall not right.Members might be interested to know i bought a known fake recently , it was listed as fake.

I asked the seller if its possible to not have it stamped "copy".I got the reply , not a problem.

Ill post the fake and a real one when it arrives and we'll see how many can spot the fake.

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Im on the suspicious side of the fence , theres a few that just dont look right , sure they look real...just something overall not right.Members might be interested to know i bought a known fake recently , it was listed as fake.

I asked the seller if its possible to not have it stamped "copy".I got the reply , not a problem.

Ill post the fake and a real one when it arrives and we'll see how many can spot the fake.

Neat idea.

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Thanks ThreeP , im hopeful itll be here this week , it should be.I bought some novelty lighters from China to test mailing times , its about 9 days.I bought 3 items on 3 different days , all were within a fortnight easily.

The fake coin is on day 10 or so , good chance ill see it tomorrow.What stuns me is i was a first time customer and asked to not have it stamped as a copy and it wasnt a problem , these messages are within my ebay message box.

One down side is if and when the Chinese fakes dealer leaves feedback my integrity on ebay goes out the window.Itll be worth it to see just how good these fakes are though.

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Was trawling ebay and came accross this seller from China, now don't get me wrong, maybe i'm just paranoid about all these Chinese fakes that are doing the rounds, but would be interested in some of the older hands of the forums opinions on some of his coins http://cgi.ebay.com/Florin-1899-AEF-Scarce-NR-/310217802273?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item483a6c0221

Ok, so what am more paranoid about if these are fakes, is the fact there is a few British sellers buying of this guy, 1 of note, i've seen before and someone quoted him selling junk most of the time anyway but the problem could now be is that he's gonna sell these of as originals. Take a look at the Chinese sellers feedback and you'll see who i mean.

As i said, maybe i'm just paranoid.

We've bought from nyame too, and we were happy. One of Richparfishing's favourite coin sources, by the way.

Yeah that's who i was talking about Declan, the thought of even buying anything other than food from a Chinese person worries me and won't touch it with a barge pole

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I was thinking of buying a few of the dodgy ones, just to see how good/bad the fakes are, and perhaps to circulate amongst ourselves?

A 'Dodgy Dealer Fund' (DDF) might not be a bad idea, so that we can all chip in a few quid, and build up a wee collection of established fakes that we could send around ourselves? Something to compare against, educate ourselves etc?

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I have an opinion on this.

where I come out, is that it is best to say nothing because one never knows who's watching.'IF' it were to be a fake and 'IF' the wrong person WAS watching and someone came on and pointed out where the forger had made a mistake, then they'd get better wouldn't they ?

And whatever else we might be, we ain't stupid and we're not going to teach someone how to rip us off.

These are my thoughts.

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I had thought of that actually... and it a shame that we need to have such measures :(

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I was thinking of buying a few of the dodgy ones, just to see how good/bad the fakes are, and perhaps to circulate amongst ourselves?

A 'Dodgy Dealer Fund' (DDF) might not be a bad idea, so that we can all chip in a few quid, and build up a wee collection of established fakes that we could send around ourselves? Something to compare against, educate ourselves etc?

Have you been here ?

http://www.forgerynetwork.com/Default.aspx

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No, cheers for the link! :D

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You're probably paranoid.

It's a woman assuming the name is correct. I've bought a few things off her in the past with no indication of any dodgy pieces, though many have been dipped. The one in the link doesn't appear to have been dipped though looking at the toning. And uncs aren't usually.

I've also bought one or two bits from this seller and have been happy so far. I must admit I'm starting to get a bit cautious as this seller has been selling high grade Ed VII florins and shilling for a few years now. There does seem to be an endless supply of them. One thing in their favour is they don't seem to come up with 1905's which would start the flags flying.

Gary

PS on the subject of fakes, here's another one. Link

and another Link

one more Link

There's a couple more on there but the picture aren't up to it.

Gary

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The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

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The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

I shouldn't really say just in case I decide to sell my GEF fake on ebay :ph34r:

If you look at the R in EDWARDVS there is a spider-like crack where the front leg joins the loop. It's either very common on the 1905 HC or just coincidence that both known fakes I've owned also have it.

Gary

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The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

The first two links are of the same coin. But yes, I too would be very interested in Gary's analysis. They look, for all the world, like ordinary, fairly well worn old coins.

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The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

I shouldn't really say just in case I decide to sell my GEF fake on ebay :ph34r:

If you look at the R in EDWARDVS there is a spider-like crack where the front leg joins the loop. It's either very common on the 1905 HC or just coincidence that both known fakes I've owned also have it.

Gary

Thanks Gary ~ chicken or egg situation ? Are they actual flaws in the forgeries or are the forgeries with the spider like crack in the R of EDWARDVS, simply copying a flaw from the original ?

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The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

The first two links are of the same coin. But yes, I too would be very interested in Gary's analysis. They look, for all the world, like ordinary, fairly well worn old coins.

Yes the first two are the same, bit of cut and pasting problem there. Looking at the one I had intended to link again it's not so clear so I'll show you mine instead.

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Is it possible a flaw with the die used to strike them ? In a genuine sense i mean.

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Anything is possible, just seems too many around with the same flaw including the two fakes I've had. And my previous example was only a GF-VF.

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