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We all are still trying mate. The job is never completed. If I were to meet the me I was thirty years ago I would be horrified (and probably a little amused)…….

Hey, Pete, I don't actually think VS was referring to YOU personally as hollow...I saw it only as a little jab at the TPGC's elitism at using the term 'finest known' nothing more! We AND he, all know that the term is only meant to describe the best example stabbed by the company. Also I think asking to see the picture was a genuine request, it must be a pretty good coin, we'd all like to see it? Honestly, if you keep re-reading his post I think you will be able to see it a different way! Anyway, I thought you said you'd chilled out? Did you forget to breath out? C'mon, let's take a look at these two H pennies?

The men in white coats have just been ,but told me i am passed help.Gotta chill dude. We're here to learn, we don't have to agree with any slab grade, especially American slabs, but you need to chill, it's a slab grade, so not a pop at you. Chill

I'm also going with GVF/NEF, its had a clean at some Point in its life, retoned Naturally/artificially but the tone highlights the dings/nicks and previous polishing/cleaning wonderfully, especially on the REV. I'm sure Londoncoins has a few for sale in their auction.. Take a Look, its free and you can also bid there

A good point, Stu, well made I am genuinely interested in understanding your thought process, it definitely sounds more sophisticated than mine! Here are comparison pics of the 2 reverses in full:

Thanks to Michael Roo for drawing my attention to this topic, one of the most interesting in relation to 20th Century coins. I have a slight disagreement with Michael Freeman about the date of the '1922 Modified Effigy' penny, but I'm partway through a series of articles that are on Mark's (Sound) website, also to be published by Coin News, so I'm afarid you will have to wait to read my own theory on it. However, it's a fascinating subject and I've enjoyed reading all your comments about it.

Mr T has mentioned all of the varieties that I know of, The F192C that was questioned in the final paragraph is the 1922 4+C. The links appear to be all there to view the different varieties. I can only guess what was going on. Probably experimenting with different die designs to get rid of ghosting. It is most likely that no penny dies were produced in 1923 or 1924 because of the two 1922 proof pennies that were issued in the 1924 proof sets that were given to South Africa. The two rare examples found of 1926 pennies, obverse 4 with pattern reverse and 4+experimental C were probably struck in 1925. There are probably records of the die production available. Another reader of this forum may comment more on these Royal Mint records, hopefully. I believe that the last sale of the 1926 obverse 4 with pattern reverse was sold by auction at London Coins, although it was advertised as a standard Modified effigy 4+B. There is more to this story of the sales of this pattern reverse, maybe the present owner, who follows this forum may like to elaborate.

These are the coins. They were only washed. The first halfcrown has a ding, the first 1944 two shillings is almost uncirculated with lustre, the second one has a chunk out of the rim, the sixpences are as would be expected except for the 1944 which is badly bent, the 3d is corroded, the 1940 penny is bent, the 1942 halfpenny is badly bent, two of the 1944 halfpennies appear to have been burnt or in accid and the last one is about perfect except for a dirty edge. Close ups of selected ones I can do if anyone wants them. Cheers Kris