Thanks guys, I suppose it is obvious the more varieries documented in a denomination the more people are going to be interested in collecting them, and the more people collecting them the more varieties are identified, and so it grows. Thanks for the links David, I have read the thread on here bout the Portcullis varieties and was aware of the 2p varieties but had not found that thread, so thanks for that. I'm putting together a piece for my local coin club newsletter on decimal varieties, but maybe it will take another generation to really get into collecting them, as with a lot of things, what we currently use is mundane, what grandpa used is collectable. Ian..