Pete Thought I'd replied hours ago but now see it didn't go. Tried again with pics but can't seem to get them under the 500k acceptable limit, will have a go some other time (I'm now away for a few days). Essentially, yes, I have a much better example (two close ups attached). My full view shots are always pretty grim so tried to attach the seller's pics but can't get the programme to accept them as it rejects them as being too large and I haven't yet figured a way to reduce them enough. Will give it some thought and try again. Cliff