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We were talking elsewhere on the forum about die flaws and progression. So as I was going through a few of my copper half pennies that i have been picking up lately I noticed these 2 which both seem to have the same die crack. My question is which came first. Did the major die crack appear first and get mended leaving only the slightest one behind or is it more likely that the minor one was the start and the major crack came later. It also nice to notice that the 2 last "8" in the date are done over other things. One is clearly a 6 the other I am not so sure about as there seems to be a tail coming out from the lower circle of the 8.

This is probably better off in here too VR Court Penny Survey Sorry if it's already here

What coin did you count 187 rim denticles on? I've counted the rim denticles on a couple of Freeman C/Gouby d pennies and get 184. Sorry - my typo. I should have said reverse B. Freeman reverse B (Gouby reverse has 187 teeth. Gouby reverse c (not listed by Freeman) has 181 teeth. Gouby reverse d (Freeman C) has 184 teeth. Hope this clarifies.

As jelida said, it's the proto-1927 reverse, not the real 1927 reverse (Freeman didn't distinguish between the two). The four different 1922-dated pennies are: Freeman 192: 3+B/Gouby C+b Freeman 192A: 3+C/Gouby C+c Freeman -: 3+C/Gouby C+d (the proofs for the 1924 proof sets) Freeman 192B: 4+C/Gouby D+d (the one secret santa is referring to, first mentioned at http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/9753-1922-penny-with-1927-reverse-confirmation/?p=125335) I hope I got that all correct! Mr T, I think you are right about your last two examples, but "all" reference books refer to the F192A, as the 1922, with 1927 Reverse. The F192A is very rare. but the other (last) two examples you mention are almost unobtainable. I think the F192B might be the "Specimen" 1922/27. (not sure though, as I have never seen one, unless the recent Heritage auction example was one.) Above are pics of my F192A...

I presume it's the 'nearly 1927 reverse' rather than the 'actual 1927 reverse', of which only one is known, is that right? No books to hand, and my favourite penny site is no longer available to me.... . Jerry

I'd say that's pretty accurate, based on what I've seen from watching/buying lots and also starting them at a price I would be 'happy' to take for a coin but is something under its real value, I've not attracted nearly as much interest as a 99p starter. On the 99p lots it's normally the first 2 days gaining watchers and a bid or 2 at 99p, then the next 4 days getting to about half its value and picking up a couple of extra watchers and finally a mad rush of bids at about 5-20 seconds before it finishes. Whereas higher starters just grab a bid or 2 and to be honest I do sometimes myself skip past them, there's certainly an attraction to a 99p starter.