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OK, received the following reply from Neil. Hope it helps:-

The only concern i would have is that if NGC failed to notice the possible fake in the first place then you'd lose all trust in their second viewing. I'd be more insistent that someone who genuinely has more experience with British coins and fakes takes a good look at it, but still its a step in the right direction of peace of mind. Keep us up to date with what's happening

Thanks for sharing Mike. I quite like this form of auction it's been much more pleasurable checking back on current bids and when being outbid on a more expensive lot, having a look at what else can then be afforded.

I'm sure he will..

I've looked and the majority seem to be before(not CM and late 70's early 80's) I've got one more location to check.I will let you know.(They need sorting anyway). Coin News ought to republish a lot of the articles but I suppose that is too simple and not modern tat.

UK politicians operate under the same Machiavellian principles as the Eurocrats in Brussels, but at least the problem would be 'in house' so to speak with an agenda that is certain to be more UK-centric than the EU will ever offer. We also have the useful inconvenience of elections - anathema to the EU's inner circle. Got to look after ourselves, because nobody else will do so. Charity begins at home, not in a committee with other priorities.

Nice groat Matteo, i would reccommend this book for your Library and very easy to use and inexpensive http://www.greenlightpublishing.com/PBSCProduct.asp?ItmID=9452038

I have missed about three 1890's coins in pretty good condition and I was just surprised to see the penny sell in the last second. It is my intention is to build a small collection of Victoria and later George coins and now i have been finished from work try and see if i can volunteer in an elderly home or hospital (if they have me) and use the coins to show and talk about their experience of old money any happy times. Dave

Iron is normally removed best with an acid than an alkaline cleaner. Having said that both as you know can change the patina of the coin. If I was in this situation you just need to separate out low value/high value. I would use a very weak organic acid solution say 1-5% like oxalic acid or confer with a chemist locally who can give you more options of organic acids (i.e., mild by nature as compared to mineral acids like hydrochloric) that are available in a hardware store. It works FINE. John Lorenzo Numismatist United States

Oh, and your fingers will be covered in shiny grey greasy graphite for hours. Wear gloves.

It never gets dull when it comes to dealing with antiques. There is always a story that lies beneath every individual piece and it is nothing but a lot of fun and excitement during your entire journey of digging up its origins and history.

If you let the page load and then scroll down it is there Coin looks ok to me, Never thought of Rob's theory of the thin sheet. When you have a halfcrown struck on less than 6g of silver, it expands your thought processes.

If you let the page load and then scroll down it is there Coin looks ok to me, Never thought of Rob's theory of the thin sheet.

LOL.... When I clicked on the link, it says "TEMPORARILY SOLD OUT" Intetesting

Sure looks OK from the picture, and second Rob's thoughts. I have one somewhere, can't quite remember at the moment...

The other possibility is that it is genuine and the blank cut from sheet intended for say a threepence. It can't be 4d sheet because they are smaller diameter and weigh 2g. Measure the thickness too while you are at it. It needs to be accurate though, so calipers are required.

For those penny collectors new(ish) to this site, there is a resource I am sure you will be interested in. Accumulator (Steve) hasn't been on for a few months (I hope he is OK, I will message him), his website presentation of his penny collection is superb (see link below), I would love to do something similar for my (non-penny) collection! link