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I see the 1933 penny went for over £149K at Heritage yesterday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is all really old news and has been an ongoing arguement for almost 2 years. I still purchase the £20 coins as a collectable, which is what you really have to look at them as. The silver value is probably more like £8 or so but I do like the quality and range that has been produced so far. I can't see me going for the £50 or £100 coins though. The RM are now putting out far to many coins and raising the prices so much that I have also been put off the year sets and the commemoratives. They seem to be going more toward the likes of London Mint. Not a good thing for what used to be one of the most respected Mints in the world. They will eventually sicken off even the most avid collectors.

Hi Craig, Have you found out any more about your tokens? Would love to here what an expert thinks of them. Ian..

Its a copy, if you look to the left of the bust you"ll see WRL stamped on it

I'm pretty certain that the first is Class 5b1 and is either WILLELM(.B.ON.LV) or WILLELM(.T.ON.LV), so London mint. They are they only two examples of Willelm in Mass (1432 and1447 respectively) with the obverse lettering HENRICVSRE/X (i.e. with the E before the sceptre). The first visible letter second one is not a V or R; the only other thing it looks like is an L, which could make it a class 5a2 (RENA)LD.ON.(NOR), so Norwich mint. At least the letters are in the right place with the D in the 6 o'clock position, but that's about all I can say.

I'm stuck at work, took holidays too early Better pictures IMO. I got this the other week, has a small spot on. Although it cost me 15 quid and came with a half decent 1901, can't complain.

I only found this forum today, but I like to try to identify short-cross cut halves, so first post... Firstly, there were a series of moneyers with the name Willelm operating throughout the short-cross series; some even had a letter after their name to differentiate them (Willelm B, L & T). From the portrait I'm 99% certain that the first coin is a class 5b or 5c of John, which means that it could have been minted at Chichester, Kings Lynn or London. On closer inspection of the obverse I think it's actually class 5b1). The second is much more difficult, but the portrait looks like a class 5 or class 6, so the king is either John or Henry III. .The last letter of the moneyer's name is definitely D, so after a quick scan of Wren I think that the possible moneyers are Arnavd (class 5 London and Canterbury), Hernavd (Class 5 Canterbury), Renavd (Class 5 Norwich and York) and Roberd (Class 5 Northampton), although the other partial letter looks more like a V than an R, so I'd discount Roberd. I may be able to get a better ID tomorrow when I get a chance to refer to my copy of Mass, which I find essential for IDing short-cross coins.