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September LCA catalogue now out for those interested.

?Seems to be working Michael. Haha a Gothic shilling indeed!!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/263141319994

I've reported a number of items all from the same seller as he's attempting to pass them off as genuine coins. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/kwjhyde3/m.html?item=322644375929&hash=item4b1f1a7979%3Ag%3AYgcAAOSw24JZi1eJ&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562#

I'm not buying that one, it's covered in hairlines so it must have been cleaned.

? Lol. Classic. Point proven eh! ?

Been sweating in the shed this afternoon. Ready to rumble......where are these fools and money Stu.....?

They just need to read the one negative feedback to understand what he is doing.... he is making a killing with these!

Here's a bigger pic, hopefully!

Yes David, Peter's words ring true. I don't know anyone here personally but a better bunch of people I feel would be hard to find, Do pop in and chat with us and share what is going on. It was nice for me to read that your Ann-Marie was cared for well, and obviously surrounded by her loved ones as she departed on her final journey.. Take care - Garrett.

Mine was £50 from the Bay a couple of years ago, from the U.S. Will do, until a lustrous one comes along at a sensible price, I'm prepared to wait! Jerry

It depends how you define a mule. Rarity shouldn't come into it. In the case of currency coins, traditionally a mule is a combination of dies, one of which is either obsolete or shouldn't be used for the issue in the first place. e.g the undated 2008 20p, where clearly it was the intention to date every coin, or say the groats in the last DNW sale which had a 3d obverse paired with a 4d reverse. So the question arises whether one or the other of the dies has clearly been superseded at an earlier date making its use anachronistic. Using this definition the answer has to be no because you have F528 to F530 using obverse 3 and F531 to F541 using obverse 5, F528 uses reverse B which was the normal one since 1860 (1874 excepted, but this say the introduction of the Heaton coins) and F529 to F540A uses reverse C. Clearly this was a changeover from one design to a slightly modified version of both obverse and reverse, but dies being used to destruction requires some overlap. To expand. ESC lists the 1711 shilling with the third bust as 'probably a mule'. This is reasonable as there is a distinct issue of 4th bust shillings dated 1710, but the R2 rating indicates a fairly rare item, so it is not clear whether the 3rd bust die was resurrected or if it was part of the natural changeover pattern.

Correct If you don't want others to know something, you had best confide in ............. Damn, I forgot their name.

When does a secret stop being a secret? The moment you say "Don't tell anyone"

I don't know what has happened to it since I saw it and can only go on what I'm told. Maybe it has been looked at and condemned and maybe not. The person concerned wasn't short of a bob or two, nor do they collect anything in depth, so it would fit into a random selection quite easily. Maybe they kept it and wanted to stay below the radar. Maybe they sold it. Who knows? We all know there are many things that specialist collectors would like to know exist, but the knowledge is kept close to the owner's chest for whatever reason.

I've bought from both Rob AND Declan, both very knowledgeable in their fields! Rob was there when they made the very first coin, and has remembered everything that's happened since, and Declan will also do you very nicely too...both know a quality coin, and won't lie to you about it! Declan's also got a pretty groovy Facebook page if you're into that sort of thing, and both have got websites!

We have some very reputable and reliable dealers right here on the forum WD; - Rob - Declanwmagee - The Coinery - RLC35 - mhcoins Just to name a few. Anyone with a green 'Coin Dealer' title under their name is also a forum trusted dealer, although not having that does not mean they're not.