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"been in a drawer since 1951 when I went to the Festival of Britain on a school trip". It's not likely they would have given a VIP proof to a school kid unless he happens to be Prince Charles. Perhaps VIP stands for vividly imaginative person.

As I said, I believe the attribute VIP was hijacked. The rare non-proof set years were only ever struck in minimal numbers, hence they could only be given to a select number of 'Important Recipients' (VIPs). As many of these bore a frosted design, the term was carried over to the regular set years (which are predominantly unfrosted) and applied to any common year coin with a frosted bust. However, there were always too many to be considered truly VIPs, so only the better examples were extracted and given the accolade. A triumph of marketing over official reality methinks.

Which IMO deserve SOME premium but not 2k worth...Even if specimens were struck at different times and with slightly different techniques, if they can not be readily separated by experts side to side, or even by the very people that struck them, then perhaps many of our separations are arteficial at best. Spencer,who wrote the article in the 1982 Journal of the ANA about VIP Record proofs - and who did an excellent job IMO - struggled to differentiate specimen vs. proof, etc.

My latest addition, as I don't have the coin yet these are the dealers pictures. This is my first Anne error

You have a reverse B proof. Both reverses exist in both proof and currency.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/322900845851?ul_noapp=true Reported! More Chinese rubbish!

That's the elder cross gender sister Vicgeorgia

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1861-Great-Britain-One-Penny-No-LCW-No-Signature-George-III-Penny-KM-794-2/263337867083?hash=item3d5028f74b:g:aPcAAOSwySlaFPJq George III in drag ???????

Brilliant

IMO not even a proof. Also, there is a die flaw on G6 cheek, nice reverse although out of focus could be hiding many hairlines, etc.

Hi Pete thank you for your kind coments. As i said before I was happy with the grades to a point, but as we all do I was hoping for a slightly better result maybe one notch higher would be good. I supose it is what it is and the fact that none came back not slabbed was good. Below are the grades I got. 1887 Crown LCGS 65 1888 Crown 60 1888 Double Florin 70 1888 Halfcrown 70 1888 Florin 70 1888 Shilling 70 1888 Sixpence 65 1888 Threepence 70 1888 Penny 82 1888 Halfpenny 80 1888 Farthing 80 As you remenber the halfpenny i bought had problems with verd and I had to sort that out pictures earlier in this thread. So was pleased with the grade on that one Your right If I remember it cost me around £90 I think. But with the grade it got I am very happy. Also it was a scarce variety or so I am told. Would be interested in your views on this variety as I have checked what ref books I have and cannot find any mention of this at all. Perhaps you or one of the other Penny boys may be able to enlighten me on how this differ from other normal pennies I really don't have any to compare it too. UIN 0041961 Coin Type PE.V1.1888.03 Origin Great Britain Description Penny Victoria 1888 Variety First I in VICTORIA with both top serifs. Second I in VICTORIA with shorter top left serif. Standard References LCGS variety 03 Provenance Grade CGS 82 Population Level 1 out of 3 Finest Known

Denis is the son. His father died last December. The penny was a maundy bought earlier this year for a customer.

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Which they did, long before 1918/19 if you read the introduction to Michael Freeman's 'bible'. Officially they supplied the Mint with blanks from 1912, but given the reddish colour of their blanks, it's not too far-fetched to think they also supplied some between 1908-1910.

I've seen regular 1951 crowns exactly like the VIP Proof in the picture above.

i'm still out on the subject and believe there is no hard and fast rule, we'll see what the museum come up with,

Why not keep the questions sensible and asked for a good reason? Asking them questions for the hell of it means that fewer useful answers will be received, because they aren't going increase the number of people employed to reply to them. They must have a huge number that never get replied to due to resource issues. I know I've got a lot going back to 2008 that were never answered - probably because they were technical and required a bit of spadework.

Mike & Pete, I can't tell you the exact amount, but it was well over $10,000 US$. I caused a lot of excitement on the Forum when I put a picture of it on the Thread. I was getting e-mails and calls from most of the well known penny guys in the UK. I purchased it from a High End Collector, in Florida, who had owned it for many years. I delivered it, in person, at Notting Hill, in London, since I was vacationing, at the time, in Great Britain. There are 5 or 6 of these Narrow Date known (actually) at this time, with some collectors having multiples. This is a good test for Zooy, as the listed estimates for really rare coins, are somewhat low, in most cases, compared to actual sale prices. I wish I still had it!

Yes, but to state the obvious, this is an example of a different reverse variety rather than a variation of date spacing.

You mean this Mike? I sold this one about 5 years ago.

1697, third bust later harp, large crowns. ESC 1233. Agree with Rob on the hint of a crossbar on the second V (this is noted for second bust small crowns but not for this one). Reverse is better than the obverse which has some scratches. Probably a VF and quite a nice coin. I had a look at both my own examples and there is no hint of a cross bar as there is on this one. So worth checking out.

I think I can honestly say I've never been scared by a coin, except when I dropped my EF+ 1797 2d on the floor, but luckily the edge was undamaged.