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Hi All the mint will be set up tonight in Sansum square in York and I will be minting Alfred The Great coins and a wide variety of Viking coins from Monday till Thurs PM do pop in if in the area for a chat etc

It's very worn but I think it may be Victoria...........

Just some news of a proclamation in 'The Gazette' dated 9 February 18, it lists a new series of 26 reverse designs one for each letter of the alphabet on ten pence coins. I'm guessing but I don't think all 26 will be released in one year. The silver and nickel plated mild steel coins are to be legal tender. The designs are as follows - quote... The design of the said ten pence gold, silver and nickel plated mild steel coins shall be as follows: ‘For the obverse impression Our effigy with the inscription “· ELIZABETH II · DEI · GRA · REG · F · D · TEN PENCE ·” and the date of the year, and for the reverse either: (a) a depiction of the Angel of the North and the letter A; or (b) a view down a gun barrel with the James Bond logo and the letter B; or (c) a cricketer striking a ball and the letter C; or (d) a depiction of a double-decker bus and the letter D; or (e) a depiction of an English breakfast and the letter E; or (f) a depiction of fish and chips and the letter F; or (g) a globe with a marked line to indicate the Greenwich Meridian and the letter G; or (h) the badge of the Houses of Parliament and the letter H; or (i) an ice cream cone and the letter I; or (j) a depiction of the Gold State Coach and the letter J; or (k) a depiction of King Arthur and the knights of the round table with the letter K; or (l) a depiction of the Loch Ness Monster and the letter L; or (m) a Mackintosh and the letter M; or (n) a stethoscope and the letter N to denote the National Health Service; or (o) a sprig of oak with an acorn and the letter O; or (p) a postbox on a street and the letter P; or (q) a depiction of people queuing through the letter Q; or (r) a robin and the letter R; or (s) a view of Stonehenge and the letter S; or (t) a steaming tea pot and the letter T; or (u) part of a Union Flag and the letter U; or (v) a depiction of a village street and the letter V; or (w) a spider’s web and the letter W; or (x) a ship off the shore of a coast and the letter X; or (y) a Yeoman Warder and a key with the letter Y; or (z) a zebra crossing and the letter Z. The coin shall have a grained edge.’ The original document can be found using the link below. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2965802 Does anyone have any other information about these coins?

Where do you think I got it?

I didn't even realise you wanted a reponse to be honest with you. As far as disputing TPG's, I couldn't give two craps either way. If someone wants to dispute them, it's their call. If they can back up their assertion with fair evidence, then I'd be with them 100%.

Grading is subjective and that is not going to change. Some opinions are better than others when it comes to grading. For those that treat grading as a math calculation in that there is an absolute answer are going to be disappointed. The expectation that all the major TPG graders will see a coin in the same way seems unrealistic given the inherent subjectivity associated with eye appeal. While I do not participate here that often, I do not see those that participate more as being shy to express their thoughts as to TPG. Seems the majority here still have doubts about TPG and part of that doubt relates not to just the question of consistency, but the perception of what is lost from collecting from the coin being in a "coffin". I stand by my prior observations and advice. I do not see my response as dodging or evading a question, but rather a blunt reminder as to what is truly important. And that would be the coin and not what I see as the temporary housing the coin currently resides in. The grade on the slab was the TPG opinion at the time of submission... Just resubmitting a coin is in essence is expressing disagreement with TPG.

It is just a question of getting used to the different systems. The UK system is a bit more general in that, for example, EF is a fairly broad designation. The US system, on the other hand, tries to be more specific. In my opinion, graders on both sides of the pond usually get it right despite the odd 'failure'. I am pretty comfortable with both but there is still no substitute for looking at the coin and forming one's own opinion.

I refuse to draw a line anywhere. 1872:

I think the opposite is true and many of us are just tired of disputing the "judgement" of TPGs. Discussions about CGS is now so boring as they don't deserve this level of interest in my view. It is a company that has gone out of business and has never been independent in the first place. LCGS is simply a department of London Coins and so it is a First Party Grader rather than than Third. Its interest is just to make a profit for London Coins. In the past, people can get hot under the collar with discussions regarding TPGs and so it's wise not to get involve too often.

I have no problem with questioning or even attacking the TPGs. I stay out of these arguments simply because I do not "get" the whole principle of locking coins away in plastic coffins. For me the joy of "collecting" is finding coins - often in unexpected places and at low prices - to add to my collection, regardless of grade. When I can, I improve the grade of the coins I have and move on the redundant ones. The thrill is in the hunt and filling the gaps. Graded and encapsulated coins seem to me much more of an investment or commodity based game, which is alien to me. Hence I do not give a fig for the debates back and forth on which TPGs grade how and which system is right or wrong. If I like a coin and I can afford it, I buy it. If it happens to be in a plastic coffin, I will break it out - unless it is so valuable it makes more sense to sell it on as it is. Watch me get flamed for stating my opinion - another reason why I usually stay out of these debates.And @ozjohn please don't leave - this forum moves pretty slowly, so the lack of opinion from others is more to do with the number of people watching.

And a side bet on which one will have a very limited mintage.... I'll go for L, no-one can find that bugger

How can there be five grades of FDC its either FDC or not isnt it?

My head hurts - makes bun pennies look simple Looks like the makings of a “Freeman” for decimals

Left Plumes

The Plumes on your Two Pence These are MacKenzies and the later 1980 and 84 updates descriptions. (I gave each entry a different colour for ease of reading, because the formatting ran it all together). Rev Usage Plume Description Aa Bfdc set, Curr.71. 1 Has an incuse line above and below the jewels in the crown band. The triangles at the bases of the crosses and lis, just above the crown band, are quite distinctly cut. Issued in speciman sets, incuse lines to the middle of the crown. 2nd upright of N points slightly right of a bead. Ab Curr.71. 1 Does not have any incuse lines, and the triangles are only faintly discernible. Ac Curr.71. 2 Has recut plumes, which do not seem to have been repeated, so far, in other coins. Large triangles on top of crown. Ad Curr.71,75 Proof 71. 3 Again has had the plumes recut, with the central one particularly noticeable. More numerous and straighter lines on left plume with central line directly throught it. Ae Curr.75,76,77,80 Proof 72-75. 4 Similar to reverse D but thicker raised lines on left plume curving more to the left. This was probably the result of using old dies. Once again has had the plumes recut, with the central one is especially recognisable. Left plume has no central line through it and thicker raised lines curving more to the left, also used for some of thr proof two pences. Ag Curr.77,78,79,80,81. 1 Similar to Rev B, but has a scalloped ledge between beads and rim. Similar ro reverse B but with thicker and fewer lines to left plume and curving even more to the left. Second upright of N of NEW points to the right of a bead. Ah Circ 79, 80 and 81 6 Similar to Reverse D but with the left plume being of flatter appearance, and the thin raised lines curving more to the left. The central line running through the plume reappears. Bf Curr.75,76,80 Proof 72-81. 5 Also has recut plumes, and a distict central one. Ci BU set, 82-84 7 This most resembles 1971 reverse B and 1977-80 rever4se G in style regarding left plume. The 1982 date only found in specimen sets issued to the public.