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Picked up another George V shilling.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Open-3-Edward-VII-Penny-Dated1903-CGS-F/323185153410?hash=item4b3f561582:g:qbUAAOSw7Vhawke4 Behave yourself

I sent her (Trish) a message and today have received a repentant reply basically saying she genuinely thought it was genuine and the heart-shape was a rare mintmark! She then said that she thought the first message she received about it was an attempt by a conman to get the coin for pennies when she thought it was worth pounds. Anyway subsequent to that she received 4 more messages including my own and this has convinced her to insert 'copy' in the description and to down the price. I believe her - inexperience I think, and she was probably duped when she bought it! Frank

Last week I picked up a decent 1915 Recessed ear penny [ show on the next post] . That got me thinking about the life of this die, from its start to its destruction, and so I hunted around and managed to find an 1916 example with a die crack running right across the coin from the A in GRA to the D in DEF on the other side of the coin. The crack is so bad that it must have meant the end of the die, and the production of this type. Pic. On the left starting at the top is an early 1915 strike without the crack , but note the tooth in question seems smaller than the others ?. Next down is also a 1915 and appears to have a small curved bite out of the bottom of the tooth . Third down is a 1916, it has now developed, and a large section is missing from the tooth. Finally the bottom insert also 1916 shows the final extent of the tooth loss, as this is the example with the die crack, also shown in full on the right side.

I watched that episode and you just cannot help but laugh and being the professional that he is it must of been a nightmare to try and keep it together. Great show shame most of the contestants are Divs. But it's easy sitting in a chair shouting the answers at the tv. I think it would be nerve racking being there

A picture’s worth a thousand words

It does look new yes i agree. I couldn't say if it was fake though from the image. I suppose if it was in circulation not long before it got lost it could be like that. I think they were the accepted equivalent of a groat when whole so the half would be half groat.

Her arguments were certainly convoluted in her email to me - I just think she was trying desperately to convince herself the coin is genuine - then the penny (Lizzy sixpence) dropped! (excuse the pun). Frank

My 1915

The groat is Henry VII ( Canterbury mint ) the cut halfs a double patard of charles the bold.

OK - Not pennies... The groat I think is Edward.... because it says Edward on it, but do not know which one - is a bit bust up, but it's old and the only groat I have of this type. The cut coin... I do not know what it is... it looks too good to be real and I think it is probably a modern copy but I do not know, I don't see how it could have remained this minty for so long - it came with a few other hammered and Roman coins that were real so I bought it... (French?). Not pennies! :-)

Reported!

It isn't important as a broad classification will suffice for most things. Every die is different, so the fact that a particular individual has done something in a personal style is neither here nor there as long as it conforms to a particular class using most features. You can always sub-divide a class based on the odd quirk seen on a particular die, but most of these are inconsequential. Some things clearly take a higher priority such as the initial mark, which we know is changed for a reason. But garnishing or embellishment is not easy to tie down as a deliberate and defining change of detail, and thus worthy of being designated a different type.

I do think of you and Mrs P a lot @Peter it affected us all on here! Hope you’re OK, buddy! I think this is a great idea for a thread, I know you’ve got a couple of hammereds kicking around!

Likewise, I had sent him the links and he wishes, quite correctly to protect his reputation. Perfectly genuine but numismatically inexperienced auctioneer I suspect. Jerry

I've just received an email from Red Dragon Auctions (a Robert Lock) thanking me for my advice and also saying he'd been sent a link showing an identical coin on eBay and that has convinced him it is "too much of a coincidence". Therefore, "to retain Red Dragon's good name and also protect any possible purchaser" the lot will now be removed. Success! Red Dragon Auctions has now gone up in my estimation. Frank