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I think a lot of the 1 time or guest posters who come on here out of the blue asking for advice on a coins authenticity or value with an eBay link are the actual sellers trying to draw attention to their lots. This guy was probably trying to do a similar thing and possibly pass it off to somebody on here. I just hope nobody fell for it.

I think the seller knew it was a fake ,going of the way he described it and rediscovered it Maybe i am wrong but all looks towards him touting it on here and never posted since.

I quite agree and fully recognise that we all (including me) go for aesthetics, but there are a large number on your side of the pond who put the label ahead of anything so inconsequential as looks and wouldn't dare challenge any TPG assumption or label. I remember one comment I made a few years ago on the PCGS forum eliciting the reply that it wasn't a p'ing competition. Sadly, that is precisely what it is because the coin was acquired strictly on the basis of the label and so his 'score' was enhanced. The random assignation of an unquantified amount of cameo effect will only enhance this chase for ever bigger numbers. Maybe the TPGs will oblige and concoct a 1/4 point step up in 'score' for the various cameo labels, which will get the juices flowing for the number chasers. If it had no effect on price, it wouldn't matter, but the way things stand, any big slab number currently means a coin heads west.

Hi, I am new to this forum but it would be nice to get some help. I own this 1860 penny in just about unc condition. I realize that there were many varieties of this coin. I believe mine is a toothed border but not entirely sure now as some look beaded. Also the "I" in BRITT is out of line and there appears to be a few letters double struck. I know there are some experts out there so any help would be gratefully received regards variety, value, rarity etc...Thanks in anticipation..Thanks in anticipation.

Many examples of one of the two known die pairings of F32 occur with flans that become slightly concave/convex after striking. This is probably the reason that this die design was not adopted again. This is the cause of more wear to the centre of the reverse.

I can’t say I had thought about it before, but you may well be right, here is my F32. Presumably the shield is shallower, compared to Britannia, and is a little better protected than other reverses? Except perhaps the beaded, which have a rather similar wear pattern. Possibly. Jerry

Ah but we still have the choice as buyers, and can use them as sellers. If we don't like what their judgement, we can pass or offer/sell accordingly. It is marketing certainly, and one can respect it or hate it or not. Appearance has always been a key in choosing a coin, and if an individual judges one coin superior to another and has also included all the other factors (such as price, relationship with a dealer or customer, etc.) then one can choose. I don't think anybody believes these TPGs are Gods, but rather tools that are sometimes useful, and maybe sometimes a source of irritation. They are not the final word.

fake mate think this coin has been posted before on here . Not sure weather it is the same seller but seen a few of those doing the rounds.

The basic problem is the TPGs have tapped into peoples' egos and turned collecting into a peeing competition by providing the registry sets for people to complete and adding their own micro grading suffixes to produce more competition amongst members. However, they can do what they like, because if you don't sign up to the nanny state concept with everything taken care of for you, like being told it's a nice or better coin or not, then it doesn't affect you.

yes defo a fake. I posted this on Ebays worse when I first saw them as I was gobsmacked how good they were. If we hadn't seen them all together in one sale I think he had 6 coins originally Many of those would of gone to unsuspecting buyers. At least we know now the characteristics of the fake coins. the thing that is of great concern the guy who posted about his 1850 shilling posted a year ago so how many are in collections? I think some announcement by an authority like the press is in order considering the value of this particular date?

Crikey...York so soon....I must get my act together to sort out the Friday (with hotel)

yeah, thanks, will do, sent an email with pictures of coin to London Coins a couple of days ago to see if they will accept it for auction in March, still waiting for reply.

prob this one lol