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IMO a very collectable coin , more so than a constantine bronze anyway , there are hundreds of millions of them around

I bet your jewellery projects are probably worth nearer his price tag than that piece of shit..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1896-Queen-Victoria-British-Sterling-Silver-Widow-Head-Shilling-Grade-Poor1-PO-1/173281168589 Bargain of the century !!! I am surprised it hasn't sold As always 10 points for effort

looks like a barbaric? reproduction of a constans or constantanious II AE follis, can see the start of the legend "DN CON....""

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria’s pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria’s point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit. Serbia points out that it can’t afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria’s trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it’s looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it? Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it’s looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it’s on Britain’s side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria. Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany’s fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends. And when Germany wakes up, it goes out to its car, gets the gun out of the glovebox and heads back inside...

I just yesterday got my winning eBay coin after using eBay bucks for a very nice price. I don't know where the other bidders were but was happy to get it for less than 400 quid equivalent. This is PCGS coin number 225223 (not the cert number). Please help post pics if you can. The PCGS picture is not as pleasant as the coin in hand, I am delighted to report, and it seems to not show the rub and ticks shown in the picture. Not a gift, but nice price. I am not sure if it is nicer than the AU58 coin which is also pictured, that one an ex-Spink coin; I don't think I can keep both at this point!

Just started playing them again. The early 10cc stuff is so well recorded, too... I had to look in iTunes under 'recently played' to find out what I've liked lately!!

I've been melting better than that for jewellery projects.

It's too good for a PO1 designation. If it was a PO1, it for some reason becomes very collectable. There are people who strive for ever greater depths, and I don't mean divers.

Yes I agree, I always send a message unless of course it's a known, habitual fraudster.

I agree though I am no expert.

I sent the seller a message. Frank

Yes, the number of sellers you see who will not send to Italy, as well as the other countries on your list. To be honest, I'd kind have expected better of Canada. But maybe that's a form of unconscious bias.

Probably a lone simpleton voice in the wilderness here, but apart from obverse 4, I find L C WYON an absolute sod to even make out. It seems to be half hidden underneath the base of the bust, and you have to really struggle to find it, even under magnification.

Fr24 4+F 1861E F+f OBVERSE Type 1 Three leaves in first row of laurel. Linear circle weak but continuous above legend “VICTORIA”. Type 2 Two leaves in first row of laurel, upper leaf missing or very weak. Linear circle mostly absent above legend “VICTORIA”. REVERSE Type 1 Last numeral “1” in date noticeably spaced wide from “6”, slightly low and tilting clockwise approximately 15 degree’s. Linear circle in exergue continuous. Small trace of extra tail, with tip cut off, on date numeral “6” one noted with die crack from tooth between “8” and “6” of date, running vertical towards breastplate. Type 2 Last numeral “1” in date spaced slightly wide, very low and tilting approximately 20 degree’s Clockwise, almost in contact with linear circle. Trace of extra tail to date numeral “6”

I have seen similar marks under the bust on several early bun years, attached are two examples from 1861 and 1860. They seem to come in different thicknesses and pointedness (if that's a word!). My guess is that on my two examples this is reverse ghosting of the areas between the teeth. I am not sure this is what is going on with Richard's coin though; it almost looks as though the top half of a C (of LC WYON) is present on that Baldwin's coin.

Bought an interesting penny in Baldwin's auction last week. Advertised as F15 with weak signature under the bust, it was clearly an F16 with some strange markings under the bust. Close up there is some extraneous metal, perhaps from a die clash, that appears to the naked eye to be a very weak "L C WYON" but isn't !

Richard Gere on Warren Zevon:

Clint Eastwood on Warren Zevon:

If the buyer knows what they are looking at at all. I suspect many of these dodgy sellers get away with it most of the time because of the inexperience of the buyers.

Two different die pairs noted, Fr32 6+F 1861M J+f OBVERSE Type 1 Linear circle well defined and spaced close to legend “VICTORIA” Second leg of “V” in “VICTORIA” touching linear circle. Some flan examples found concave Type 2 Linear circle weak in places, legend “VICTORIA” not too close to linear circle. REVERSE Type 1 Date numerals inline, last numeral “1” very slightly wide and tilting clockwise by 5 degree’s. Linear circle below exergual line weak then missing after last date numeral. one noted with die crack on right of first "N" in "PENNY" to toothed border. Some flan examples found convex. Type 2 Last date numeral “1” spaced wide, slightly low and tilting by approximately 5 degree’s. Linear circle below exergual line mostly intact, except 3mm. Missing left of date, near exergual line.

Re. Bernie’s comment “two known die parings of F32”, I have only ever owned a couple of this rare type, so not studied in any detail, but my own findings do show two different reverse date types…………as pictured on the attachment. I think the top date is more common, and same as the ones pictured above, but the bottom date in my attachment has the last numeral one even more slanted than the commoner type. Full reverse picture also attached for reference. May I ask if it is this reverse ‘date variation’ which prompted the “two known die parings” comment, or whether there is some other feature which I have not yet observed? I have noticed that some of the commoner reverse date type develop a die flaw after the first N of PENNY (same as Jerry’s example, top one of the 3 pictured above), but also wonder if there is more than one obverse involved on an F32.