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My recent purchase. An Edward III Pre-treaty series D, penny (Ex Drabble; Ex Doubleday).

I wonder whether it has been lacquered, all the rage in the ‘70’s. if it was moved around when the lacquer was only partially dry, you might get this sort of effect. Calls for a soak in acetone, wont do any harm anyway. Jerry

They seek em here they seek em there 1881 4 berries Farthing I thought i'd share.

No. I believe it refers to this; From A.R.Alexander's & A.M.Lisk's excellent series, Variants of the Modern British Penny 1895-1967 published in Coin Monthly between April 1977 and February 1978.

Germany, Austria and Italy are stood together in the middle of the pub, when Serbia bumps into Austria, and spills Austria’s pint. Austria demands Serbia buy it a complete new suit, because there are splashes on its trouser leg. Germany expresses its support for Austria’s point of view. Britain recommends that everyone calm down a bit. Serbia points out that it can’t afford a whole suit, but offers to pay for cleaning Austria’s trousers. Russia and Serbia look at Austria. Austria asks Serbia who it’s looking at. Russia suggests that Austria should leave its little brother alone. Austria inquires as to whose army will assist Russia in compelling it to do so. Germany appeals to Britain that France has been looking at it, and that this is sufficiently out of order that Britain should not intervene. Britain replies that France can look at who it wants to, that Britain is looking at Germany too, and what is Germany going to do about it? Germany tells Russia to stop looking at Austria, or Germany will render Russia incapable of such action. Britain and France ask Germany whether it’s looking at Belgium. Turkey and Germany go off into a corner and whisper. When they come back, Turkey makes a show of not looking at anyone. Germany rolls up its sleeves, looks at France, and punches Belgium. France and Britain punch Germany. Austria punches Russia. Germany punches Britain and France with one hand and Russia with the other. Russia throws a punch at Germany, but misses and nearly falls over. Japan calls over from the other side of the room that it’s on Britain’s side, but stays there. Italy surprises everyone by punching Austria. Australia punches Turkey, and gets punched back. There are no hard feelings, because Britain made Australia do it. France gets thrown through a plate glass window, but gets back up and carries on fighting. Russia gets thrown through another one, gets knocked out, suffers brain damage, and wakes up with a complete personality change. Italy throws a punch at Austria and misses, but Austria falls over anyway. Italy raises both fists in the air and runs round the room chanting. America waits till Germany is about to fall over from sustained punching from Britain and France, then walks over and smashes it with a barstool, then pretends it won the fight all by itself. By now all the chairs are broken, and the big mirror over the bar is shattered. Britain, France and America agree that Germany threw the first punch, so the whole thing is Germany’s fault . While Germany is still unconscious, they go through its pockets, steal its wallet, and buy drinks for all their friends. And when Germany wakes up, it goes out to its car, gets the gun out of the glovebox and heads back inside...

Does the BN mean Bent Nicely?

Well, perhaps we are crossed on terms. The "C" does seem to be incised and even in taking the first closeup picture of reverse, from the picture it appears that the margin or edge of the wing-like shape looks to be as well with discolouration on the inside of the wing being what looks to be the residue. The obverse shape(s) really IMO appear to be localized collections of residue and/or oxidations of that residue. Many dilute dips can do that sort of thing if allowed to dry or desiccate. Still, you have the coin in hand, not us. Interesting, this series was the core of my collection at one point. The 1929 and 1934 dates are the only ones not struck in proof..

This is the wave type

I remember when google sent you where you wanted to go straight away with 1 or 2 alternatives. Now any word in a sentence is a link to the beyond of god knows where. It's absolutely crap now worthless tool.

I think you'll find that UK collectors make a sharp distinction between 'die errors' (which result in a certain number of struck examples) and 'striking errors' (which are usually unique but regarded as curiosities). Die cracks fall somewhere between the two : they're not die varieties strictly, as there is no element of human causation, but on the other hand there could be a number of examples out there. The kind of thing you're talking about can best be illustrated by two examples: 1. The 1918KN 'crows foot' error on the neck of the portrait. This is distnictive enough to be easily recognised and is collectable, though not at much of a premium over normal. 2. The die fill that caused the designer initials "EF" to disappear on the reverse of some 1961 halfcrowns. At one time this was regarded as a kosher variety, but not now. I think where die faults result in a distinctive rare variety (the 1946 ONE' penny being an example) then you will see them catalogued and collected, otherwise they tend to be ignored.

I have the incuse wave variety! Cost me £10 from a Phoenix Fair for a BU specimen some years ago. (There's one born every minute...) Just in case it's of interest, here is the 1970 list of known coin varieties (at that time) by David Sealy and published in the Coins & Medals annual for the year: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zkw5a84yv88c2o8/Coin%20Varieties%201970.pdf?raw=1

It seems to me that the predecimal doubled dies are much more popular than the decimal double dies (I guess they probably happen more frequently in modern production). I'm not too into the errors myself but things like upsets, clips and partial collars are the things that seem to sell for any reasonable amount above face value.

"The" Gorillaz lol. That's like talking about The Pink Floyd, The Genesis, or The 10CC!

Mea culpa. When you said "SLR" I assumed you had one and therefore were talking with knowledge, or I wouldn't have started!

Thank you Arthur, this is very useful indeed.

Verdigris can appear on silver due to the copper content used in its manufacture. The lower the silver content the higher the copper content.

No.....What you were just saying is "i will have a go at Pete" Please carry on all day and night if you want to All i was doing was trying to help someone who asked a question , which i thought is what the forum was for.

Looks like a broken die where the indent on the foot has been lost.

Good observations and knowledge shared Jag!

On 2018-04-05 at 11:41 AM, hibernianscribe said: Yes, absolutely, and this piece was gilded before the plate was cut as the edges do show - there is no doubt about this. However, I am excited about the gilt since I am surmising whether this was a piece from the "two guilt wine bowles" that are documented as being part of the "Plate delivered to Mr Edward Standishe, Alderman, by consent to be sold for the townes use and to supply their p'sent want of money...." (quoted from the minutes of a meeting of the (Newark) Corporation held on May 15, 1646 and detailed in, "The Obsidional Money of the Great Rebellion", 1907, Philip Nelson, M.D.) Obviously it is very possible that other gilt plates might have been used as well but this reference is specific right down to the fact that two gold-plated wine bowls were cut up to literally, make money. This is why I find this series so interesting - there is a tangible link with particular people caught up in a bloody struggle. Frank Hi Frank, I can't make out from the photo of your Newark siege piece any sign of plate markings, which often accompany these 1646 gilt ninepences. I found three other examples with the same obverse die, that are illustrated in sale catalogues. HIRD, LOT 265- GLENS 1974 NOBLE, LOT 690- GLENS1975 WHEELER, LOT 407- SOTHEBY 1930 Thellusson in the Sotheby sale of 1931, lot 248 describes a Newark nine pence also cut from a gilt plate but lacks an image.

Nice 1928 half-crown for my george V type set

Just a stunning coin. I wonder if it's a specimen strike?. I must admit I have never seen one like this before