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defo Henry III, that face is so distinctive,

I work for a University, STEM courses are the future. Will let you know if I manage to swing it

Well done, guys - did somebody contact the seller? It's been pulled.

I'd say that was almost certainly genuine.

Lighten up Larry, we are in this forum’s “nothing whatsoever to do with coins area”

Yes Peck ,more likely to be a five than a nine

Thanks both for that - I will mark it up as Henry III Willem on Cant then. Once I have popped my clogs I wont mind if someone else decides I was wrong!

Am usually good with these but brockages are a different ball game i am afraid. I think i can make out LEM being the last letters of the moneyers name and ON CANT on the other half so it's definitely a Canterbury coin. At a guess I'd go with Willem at Canterbury which would be a Henry III coin but that is a guess. I've not seen a brockage that bad before.

I made my apology so the matter is closed

The seller is a Forum member and knows his coins so although i dont know anything about them would feel confident buying from him

yes my apologies for yesterday's outburst against your football enthusiasms it is simply the idea of another two weeks of having to endure it, for me sport is a political tool and I really do not enjoy Russian politics at this moment in time. I will try harder to block it out on here in order to preserve any drindling sanity I have left.

Looks safe to me. I've bought a few maundy pieces from them in the past with no problems.

It's most certainly a fake. I posted that one up on Sunday. He's previously sold a fake Newark siege coin also. It seems to a common theme now for some people to be selling fakes as well as geniune coins. It seems to confuse "some" people into thinking they are a safe and trustworthy seller. That coins the same as the rest with the fake toning sprayed on. They are so easy to spot with or without the toning. They are being made by Dorchesters. If you look at there example on their website you can see the same mark below the 6. http://dorchesters.com/charles-i-pontefract-siege-shilling-lozenge?filter_name=Pontefract&filter_description=true

I think as soon as you mention "Pontefract Siege Piece" in the same paragraph as field_walker you know what the answer is going to be! It is not my area but there do appear to be casting bubbles in the pictures. To add to what Rob has said, these things used to be mega-rare, and now they turn up all the time. To me that can only mean one thing - they are being produced to fill the demand in the market. I would not buy one on Ebay at all - and I would want to have a lot of provenance before I bought from a good auction house.

Having gone to the effort of looking up the prices in Spink for a Fine and VF Pontefract, you don't then list a VF example at a third of the fine price. Any auction house would give a better return than that, unless of course you know it isn't the real deal, in which place eBay is the best place to go to marry up the deceitful with the ignorant.

Thank you Jerry for your opinion I appreciate the time to reply. I don't really see it as elaborate fantasy in truth I do not know what process results in the pattern. I always recognised a serious problem in understanding this. I also expressed a degree of reticence at the die imposed theory and had postulated alternatives. I think the best thing is for me to improve my process of imaging this, collate all the evidence and submit it as a serious research proposal. Or alternatively write a very interesting and novel book on mental health. I will of course list the examples of the 1860 penny. I have a couple of examples one with the tail one with internal metal of the underlying letter altered. I have taken a little time to read references to boulton's interest in a strange etching technique which he purchased the patent and a few obscure references to a unique process as part of the minting process. Heaton purchased some of the the machinery from the soho mint after it sold. Blanks historically where predominantly struck by Birmingham companies as you say under contract to the mint. I enjoy the challenges as long as those that challenge me do so from a position of fully understanding the ideas. However I do accept that collectors will not wish to waste time looking at the idea if they cannot see beyond the very obvious flaws in the concept. As I say in many places this same inertia prevented me looking at the physical evidence but I have acknowledged the difficulties and still try to understand what might be there. I am a generally sceptical person, I am generally evidence driven and will endeavour to apply all the normal parameters I would apply to resolve any unknown. It is hard to remain open minded but I will try to stay flexible in my approach. Thanks for your input. Larry

Can we not bin this thread? Or better still, there must be some govt departments across the world that would be interested in shutting down things like this. People producing fake documents should hardly be encouraged or given exposure.

OF II on the reverse + CONST = the Arles Mint. This appears to have the same obverse: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAC-Valentinian-I-364-375-E-Follis-Siscia-364-367-V497-/292348246153 Here's your reverse (different mint): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Valentinian-I-364-375-AD-AE3-SECURITAS-REIPUBLICAE-Thessalonica/113109889702?hash=item1a55dff2a6:g:augAAOSwLS5bNAeS

Anyone who is still in deserves to be ,we are regardless of the team that we have or past form and results.We have only lost one game in over twelve months and Southgate is not spoilt for choice with who he can pick a squad from out of the premier league ,all the others are playing for other countries.People are having ago at them even before they have been knocked out .We win a couple and people dont think its good enough ,we lose one with a weakened team and the result did not matter its not good enough,we dont win and its not good enough. Some people wont be happy even if we win on Tuesday........Well to those people Bollocks . Either way COME ON ENGLAND.................