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This is a moot point and I'm not convinced. It is also part of a much broader question. Rawlins was in Bristol making tokens in 1652 whereas Ramage was employed at the mint. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Rawlins Note the lozenge stops so characteristic of Rawlins' work. However, both Rawlins and Ramage studied under Briot, so the pair will undoubtedly have learned and practised similar skills and methods. Ramage also used lozenges, but I can't make a case for Rawlins ever using mullets. It is somewhat unhelpful that Ramage and Rawlins share the same initial for their surname. With Rawkins in France from 1648 to 1652 following the Civil War, there is no debate about the engraver of the 1651 patterns, nor the significance of the mullets. As the resident engraver at the mint for the duration of the Commonwealth, the R is unambiguous in the case of the early three pillars dies and those of the Cromwell farthings for the simple reason that Rawlins was known to be elsewhere, but from the restoration in 1660 things become a little muddy. The reinstallation of Thomas Rawlins as chief engraver would lead one to think that the R referred to him in every instance post-1660, but with David Ramage also employed as engraver at the mint and having similarly signed the dies with an R, the jury is out. The three pillars was a symbol of the Commonwealth and as such, unlikely to find favour in the court of Charles II. It is very tempting to say that anything with 5 pointed mullets was done by Ramage, but all the pattern farthings and the 1651 pattern halfcrown use both a mullet and a lozenge in the legends. This is not unexpected as a former pupil of Broit's. The early 3 pillars dies had an R below the central pillar. This P473 (which has both mullets and a lozenge on the obverse, as do the other 3 pillars dies) has a disturbed area in the field below the central pillar when angled best towards the light and this is commensurate with a filled die. Further clues may lie in the pattern farthings P474, 483 & 484. The first has a large bust with both mullets and a lozenge in the legend; the second has a smaller bust, signed R below, and only lozenges in the legend; the third uses the same smaller bust punch, but isn't signed and is a different die with the bust entered lower on the die and uses both a lozenge and mullets in the legend. If anything is to be interpreted from this, it is that Rawlins consistently used lozenges but not mullets. I also think it is reasonable to say that those with mullets were done by Ramage. If everybody gets their copy of Peck out , they can contribute an opinion. Discuss.

I have just won this on the bay, not bad for just over £15. Well i hope that it looks this nice when i get it.

I think illustration 5 was the original sketch. The note underneath states:- "5-8 Evolution of thrift design, showing Miss Kitchener's original sketch (5), her two models (6, 7) and the modified version by Mr Metcalfe (8)2

He has realised claiming he had 3 wasn't a good idea and so has removed this claim now 🙂

One of mine common but nice looks like it might be from the same engraver , note the R 😊😊😊

Just read this book. An absolutely brilliant read and very well written. I never realised how many different designs were considered at the time, and that the King wanted to face left rather than right, as he thought the left side of his profile was better than the right. Also interesting that the modern designs drawn by Wilson Parker were liked by the King, but eventually dropped - with the exception of the wren which was originally designed for the 3d, but eventually rescued for the Farthing. At one point it was even mooted that the new 3d should have a hole drilled through the centre, but this was soon discounted as it would have compromised the Royal effigy. The thrift plant design by Miss Kitchener was adopted for the threepence, but had to be re-designed by her to omit the word "thrift" which was shown just below the plant. Here's a pic of the alternative 3d's - apologies, it's not great quality.

A scarcity of small change in the 1790s wasn't anything new. Here's my nicest token from the mid previous century.

I just love this one!! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/George-V-1933-Pennys-my-grandmother-said-son-only-sell-when-times-a-tough/123368185332?hash=item1cb9511df4:g:BbQAAOSwvN9blqoq Jerry

It must of stood out as being different for at least two people to bid it so high .