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Was the seller hedging his bets?

This coin with the same story was for sale on EBay several times a couple of years ago, and featured on this site. It subsequently appeared with hype for sale via a conventional South Wales auction house (Dragon Auctions, or some similar name). After I sent them links to his EBay sale attempts, and to discussion on this forum , they sent me a pleasant email and withdrew the coin from sale. The story is of course total tosh, it is a modern Chinese replica, though he possibly paid too much for it himself if he did indeed buy it in Caerphilly and was taken in by the vendors stated provenance. Jerry

Looking for coins and...? 😥 One way to clean them.

Most of the people who lived by groats in that period couldn’t even read, let alone decipher legends and fonts. As an aside, it was only a couple of hundred years later in the Jacobean period that they were uncertain enough of the previous monarch’s coinage that they felt the need to scratch Elizabeth’s shillings with X often XII so they weren’t mistaken for other denominations (my theory anyway). Also, how many of the later generations (say the Elizabethans) would recognise a genuine 200 year old groat from a forgery, when there are coin collectors today that make that mistake over and over again on eBay? We’d have to consider that the OP coin (if it’s a contemporary forgery) may even have been made to fool an Elizabethan audience? I feel pretty certain it would’ve stood up even in early medieval England anyway...just thinking out loud.

It sure is Peck, I could imagine that’s how a coin would feel when imprisoned inside an NGC slab.💀

I concur. As one of the last children taught both imperial and metric systems in parallel, mental numerical agility came as second nature. 2.4 old pence to a new penny - no problem.

First time I have bid on LCA lots but I won one of two I was after. Another type box ticked.

Did anybody here spot this F32 at auction a week before Xmas? Sold as 1861 penny, but somebody else noticed it as it hammered at a grand, £1280 with costs, so not cheap but as nice an example as I've seen for sale in recent years despite a few marks. As usual the reverse F is weak, must have been a very worn die. Another for your list, Richard. Jerry