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My latest Pidcock ½ pence, D&H457 which arrived this morning. Opinions on grade welcome, I'm thinking around a good very fine?

The example mentioned is exactly what I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THEM. I guess it is the American Business Model at its (IMHO) worst. They buy a coin and maybe even a bit higher than it has been going for and then bounce the price by 400, 500% and more to see what they might get away with. So it is also IMO no concession that they put that OBO business at the end of the sale, some consolation. I certainly appreciate where Jaggy is and that he has gotten a piece or two, but I really don't like the bulldoze "GreedMo' " approach as it in the end despoils the market. I am most glad that I got many of the very best coins that I have before this sort of thing got into the market. I can see how this may fragment the market eventually if this approach is expanded on by others - and I see it occurring (eg the prices on proof Victoria gold and now "hyper grades" bringing hyper prices). This is not sour grapes either, so should not be dismissed as such; there certainly are times that I could have secured another piece or two and pinched the market but just don't believe in that approach as this is a hobby for many of us, and nice to have fellow collectors out there. This is the sort of thing that is now applied to more classic Brit issues that we have seen first with the flippers that purchase the "limited edition" issues (and now has seemingly spread to the RM and the Garufulos (sp?) and other tat they now issue that has extended the "GreedMo' " mentality. Well, sorry to run on.

That will be the Peck coin. I remember passing on it as I had an example, and in any case had just decided to refocus away from shillings and halfpennies.

I've got the Nicholson coin. I remember the Peck coin going through DNW about 10 or 12 years ago. It sticks in my mind as being orders of magnitude better than mine. I need to dig up the info. And vaguely recall another one in DNW at the end of last year. That isn't exhaustive, so at least 6 or 8 to start with.

That looks like an exact die match ! Now I see that all of the reverse As are unbarred...not clear from my terrible example. Do you think this is just a later die state of coin 052 in the Basil Nicholson collection ? (http://www.colincooke.com/collections/nicholson_part1.html) The legend looks pretty much identical but the 4 of the date has a partial bar. If so this is indeed an extremely rare coin...Peck knew of two, so we're looking at 5+ examples now ?

err the customs union and single market are two totally different animals. So now you are saying that Turkey is in the EU as they are a member of the customs union.

The petition for revoking article 50 got over 6 million signatures. May could have used it as the reason to propose a second referendum. She didn't and posted the response that "This government will not revoke article 50" days before the debates on 1st April. She did the same for the 2nd referendum petition and said "This government will not hold a second referendum"

Sorry, but how do you know May didn't try to get a bad deal? After all one of her own inner circle commented recently that she was always in damage limitation mode, so the logic of that would be to make the deal so poor that we don't leave. Its a perfectly sound ploy to achieve what she really wants, without it being obvious that she has engineered it that way. Also, exactly how does staying in a customs union, the worst of all worlds, honour the result, when it was made crystal clear by just about everyone that leaving meant leaving the single market and customs union? 'Honouring the result' is the last thing that this will do. Its spitting on the votes of all those who voted to leave.

I haven't. I have sold a total of eight coins in the 35 or so years I have been collecting. My duplicates generally come from buying a better quality coin for my collection and the duplicates are still sitting in my trays. Sometimes I have bought a duplicate because I like the coin and I like the price (which is why I have 35 1952 sixpences). I have never bought a coin with the intention of selling it subsequently. At some point I am probably need to clear out my duplicates. When? I have no idea. Maybe never.

Buying the slab and not the coin seems to be the US way although fervently denied. Atlas are purely tapping this and why not? Large nrs of individual collectors try the regrade path to riches and really is it not similar to variety collectors cherry picking ebay/coin fairs. I ask the question; Who hasn't bought a duplicate coin to flip for a profit?

But why put it off? Cameron was on a high, having just had a reasonable victory in the General Election. He , like most cosmopolitan south easterners, had no concept of the dissatisfaction of the majority with the machinations of the EU and despite having just been shafted in his attempt to get concessions from the EU he had put a gloss on the outcome that he thought the population would swallow. There did not seem to be any advantage in delaying, and nor would there have been. The target of settling the EU issue within his party was understandably irresistible. And the chattering and political classes knew a remain victory was inevitable. What he, like many, did not realise is that national wealth and economic success is less important to the psyche of most of the population of the country than perceptions of housing and work competition from working class Eastern European immigration. Almost un-mentioned in the debate also were issues of national sovereignty, self determination and democracy which in the absence of the concern for the international economic arguments are felt very strongly amongst rural and working class communities. I think that despite the parliamentary debacle very little has changed, the polls give a remain majority of exactly the same level as the day before the referendum (10% according to the net) and we know where that led us. Cameron did not have a crystal ball (or possibly any balls at all as it turned out) but his decision will have seemed entirely logical. Jerry

It's all relative. I'm at a point in my collecting where I have relatively few gaps in my main areas of interest. So if Atlas (or any other dealer I trust such as Rob) has a coin that fills one of these gaps, the fact that it may cost a couple of hundred dollars more than it might at auction (and you never know what the auction cost will be) is not necessarily an impediment. The reality is that they have it, I don't and I have no idea when an equivalent quality example will come up at auction or what it will cost when it does.

Except R. Ingram.

But that's what a referendum is - and some huge issues can only be decided by referendum.

It's the only way you can have a business

I have always agreed with that approach, I either want the coin and will pay the price asked, or I will not. I have never understood the complaint over mark up, if you can buy something and sell it for more, surely that is good business sense.

I don't care how much their mark-up is. That is their business and that is true for any dealer from whom I buy. I care that the coin is what they say it is, that the photos accurately represent it and that the price is one that I am willing to pay having done my research.

Just dropped off a few coins at their new offices, had a little chat with Marius, he's a guy that always takes my submissions, it seems they have a full-time banknote grader now and the plan is to eventually do coin grading on-site full time within 2 years, i asked him to keep me posted if any jobs come up in that direction 😏

Bramah lists it (10b) and describes it as rare. That big white circle is unusual though.