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For over 30 years I worked and lived in what you might describe as a “dispossessed working class” community, albeit in the South Wales valleys, and a strongly labour voting constituency and leave voting . I drank in the local pubs and my best mates included a plasterer, postman and power station worker. Europe was a frequent topic of conversation , often heated, but generally in negative terms for many of the reasons outlined above. When it came to the referendum I never once heard the view expressed that they would vote to “thumb their noses” etc, and I suspect they would be insulted to be told that was their motivation. You seem to deny the “working classes” the ability to come to the same reasoned decisions with the same access to media as the rest of us, which ever way the individual verdict was. It seems a popular remainer conception that the outcome of the referendum was determined by a protest vote by the ignorant, despite the “working classes” having exactly the same average IQ as the rest of the population. And in terms of sovereignty, I said “issues of national sovereignty “, I did not say lost sovereignty, though we have undoubtedly become subservient to the European Court and to a significant extent to the European Parliament, two of the main pillars that determine self determination. Jerry

It's a ludicrous accusation anyway, which, in line with much of the tripe spouted these days, makes zero logical sense. I'd say it was an attempt by the hard left to paint all brexiters in a certain light - you know the same old tired score, white, middle aged/elderly and male, with extreme right wing views, racist and of low intelligence. A lazy caricature so idiotic as to be unworthy of even the Beano.

..and finally for now, Wurtemburg:

No. The dispossessed working class northerners were about thumbing their noses at the Westminster elite, which is what many Leave votes were about. Sure, The Mail et al claimed we had lost sovereignty - we hadn't. Nor self-determination, as our policies on defence, welfare, education, housing, industrial stratgy, defence, broad taxation, prove clearly enough. It's probably something we will never know. What we do know is that Dominic Cummings came up with the slogan "Take back control", BoJo with "Independence Day", and the Leave campaign was sold the social networking targeted adverts app. Then there are the more shadowy figures of Cambridge Analytica, Steve Bannon, Arron Banks, etc. I think you'll find that though those things WERE mentioned often enough, the customs union wasn't. I watched most of the TV debate s and analysis and didn't hear it once. And the stuff about "taking back control of our money, our laws and our borders" are soundbites that sound much more rooted in reality than they are. May's deal actually does include the prospect of a permanent customs union, just not in so many words. Good points, well made. It doesn't matter how many times Brexiters repeat that "everyone knew what they were voting for", the clear and only answer is "Leave the EU" or "Remain in the EU". The implications of both have been made clearer in 2019 than at any other time. Not during the campaign they didn't. Yes, the Single Market was mentioned, but more often in the terms of "Who on earth wants the UK to leave the Single Market? It's the EU we plan to leave not the SM."

No - no response at all. Disappointed in DNW - they are usually better than that.

No. I'm not referring to Chris or indeed to the vast majority of remain voters. Most people who voted remain would bow to the majority will. Such is the basis of democracy. I'm referring to a certain cohort on the left in this country, who almost from Day 1 of the referendum result, have persistently referred to leave voters in very derogatory terms. Intellectually challenged, typically. But also add on racist, extreme right wing, fascist scum etc etc. Not nice, extremely provocative, and definitely not accurate for the overwhelming majority. Surely you must have noticed? I'm not guilty of the same as I'm giving my opinion of their ideas, not of the people themselves, who I know nothing about. I make no pretence about that, unlike them, who claim to know the collective IQ of the 17.4 million leave voters. 100% agree with your last paragraph.

I am no expert, nor do I claim to be. I do not know whether the country will be richer or poorer and I don't care. Democracy means that whatever the people decides is what happens. If that can be overruled then we are little more than a banana republic.

All the major houses will act in a similar way where the provenance is legally questionable. A good example was the recent DNW sale where a large number of nice pieces were withdrawn prior to the sale. Another example is the Lockdales sale a year or two ago where a William I 2 stars of Launceston with the SAGSTI STEFANI mint reading was on offer. As it was the same coin that had been stolen from Seaby in 1961, I questioned whether the purchaser would have legal title to it. The coin was withdrawn, and only after its legal status had been clarified was it re-offered. It's the way it should be as virtually all those involved in the coin trade are upstanding folk of good character.

This is Bavaria:

I think this thread needs som pictures - here are some of mine. First - probably my favourite - Frankfurt:

grab yourself a bargain,

The referendum options were a) remain in eu or b) leave the eu It doesn't say anything about the customs union. With hindsight, if option b) was leave eu AND the customs union, then it would be one less thing to argue about. It would be more straightforward if a Leave politician won the leadership contest and is prime minister. Then you can hold him to the promises made by the Leave campaign. May was remain and didn't make the brexit promises before the referendum. Some of the promises like the infamous battle bus slogan are not deliverable anyway. She spoke about her aspirations when she has got the job but has now failed. (But I do wonder what some Brexiteers would actually consider a good deal). She has now even said that the Uk can do well in the long run with no deal. But no deal has been refused by Parliament. There is now a real danger of a half baked Brexit that no one wants. Only the population can overrule parliament. Get a second referendum. No deal vs staying vs whatever. Use the alternative vote system if there are more than 2 brexit options. Talking about Brexit on a forum is like a bunch of Catholic priests debating with some Buddhist monks if the Sermon on the Mount has really taken place. Let's face it, it is unlikely that one side can convince the other.

He does not name the people who the coins belong to and if they did mind they would not send them him.Looking at the dozens of people who had put comments below his video though it appears they all seem to be happy. Yes i was presumptive as if i had a coin that i had sent him and he put it on you tube ,it would not bother me at all. I bet with all the people who will read this thread over the next few weeks he may even get a couple more customers.

Spending £465 to get coins with a raw value of less than $300 slabbed doesn't register. Shinymetaldiscstacking.com Why am I thinking of Muttley getting a medal from Dick Dastardly ?

There are some very suspicious abrasions beneath both '8's. Someone lend me a bargepole please, so that I have something not to touch it with?

Hello chaps, Please could I ask one of the experts a question or two about my Edward I pennies I won today on the Spink auction? First question... where it say in the provenance ii) Elmore-Jones, Glendining, 10 April 1984, lot 1582 - £65 does that mean that the second coin in the description is ex Elmore-Jones collection? Edward I (1272-1307), Pennies (6), Berwick, local dies issue, 1.35g (S.1415); also, Durham, class 9b1, 1.46g (cf. N.1037.1 {for type}; S.1421); additionally, Newcastle (4), class 9b1 (2) with star, 1.38g; and without, 1.31g (N.1037.1; S.1408); also, 9b1/10ab mule, 1.48g (N.1037/38; S.1408/9); lastly, class 10ab, 1.25g, reading hb (N.1039; S.1409), generally very fine, all toned (6). provenance ii) Elmore-Jones, Glendining, 10 April 1984, lot 1582 - £65 Secondly, please could I have a more detailed ID on coin number 5. It's listed as a Newcastle 10ab, but I'd like to know which one of the subgroups if possible (i.e. 10ab1-6). Many thanks, Descartes