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Collecting these is my thing and finding the errors is great fun. Could be but, as you and Chris both say, the jury is out until another/better specimen turns up. Something I would draw your attention to though is the upright bar of both the disputed first L and that of the second. Compare these with that of the E, which is much thicker. If the first L was an E wouldn't the uprights be similar? Obviously, a blocked die might account for the difference, but it is something worth considering. Either way, on the visual evidence as it stands, were you to describe it as 'GIVEIELMVS' I don't think anyone would object.

Not very much better! After all, this is the person who doesn't realise that Bob Marley had an "e" in his name..

Came across this website the other day, The Old Currency Exchange. MB1 left a comment on Sept 16. Clearly was aware of 1933 penny and the various forgeries. Her command of English was better back then😉 https://oldcurrencyexchange.com/2014/08/20/rare-coins-the-1933-british-penny/#comments

"It sits at" reminds me of old (1950-60s) auctioneers spiel when they were trying to boost an unpromising item.

Interesting. Her condition for the double florin is "superb" "VG" and "VF+" - make your mind up woman! (I think her example is possibly the 0.347 ...). There also appears to be 0.046 of an 1887 halfcrown.

Yes, indeed. What is obvious is that the younger members are very enthusiastic, but also very naive. With the amount of unofficial trade that takes place on these sites (most of it tat to be honest) some could be ripped off by paying unrealistic prices for junk and/or overgraded items. This is where the older more experienced members, myself included, come in, with useful advice. Martin Platt is a member of one of the groups, and gave some very sound advice to other members - as might be expected from someone with his breadth of knowledge. Although I haven't seen much of him recently.

Difficult one that - if you look at the second L there is a huge top serif, much longer than you would normally expect. There does appear also to be a middle stroke on the first, but with so much corrosion wear that could be an anomaly. On the other hand, the bottom serif on the second L is different to that on all the E's. It could be that with the L and E looking quite similar, the wrong letter was picked up and punched and it could be as you say. The jury is out.

And still buyers don't question why all her silver, regardless of origin, age, condition, has the same artificial appearance. Some of those which have really been gone to town on are absolutely horrible.

Yeah - if you dipped it would still be a problem coin. The AT on the obverse looks disgusting though. Doesn’t look like she’s getting any better with practice.

You can actually see on the obverse where the artificial tone has been rubbed on.