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The Freeman 8 mule I won at the LCA arrived today. Very pleased. OK, nowhere near the best available, but problem free and another really rare coin that doesn't come up for sale very often.

Exactly ... my best one is I went out to buy a washing machine and came back with a Porsche .. they get over it .. 😁👍

Its definitely not a scarborough not at all modern. Found this today having a search on the net for something completely different. City of Hamburg. 1725-1768. 1 Schilling. Silver. 17mm diameter.

a pretty penny that

Just do it ... Nike ! Its like buying a house , or that boat , or that car u always wanted... if you sit down and analyse it you will never get it .. Just do it .. take the flak from the wife then it passes .. like the quote above .. don’t ask permission , ask forgiveness

Very interesting. This particular variation is noted in the January 1971 edition of Coin Monthly. It's in an article entitled "Coin Varieties - pennies", by A,J.Braybrook, on pages 50 to 53. "1944 light toned, waves clear of exergue, Second 4 points to middle of waves" Here's a photo of the relevant bit:-

Thanks, that's really interesting. Court's estimate of circa 55,500 examples minted, may not be too far off the mark. Clearly the overwhelming majority of these will have gone in the melt as I imagine not too many specimens would have been collected between February 1969 and demonitisation. Does anybody know of any evidence of them being sold by dealers, as a separate entity, at any point between 1969 and the 1971 demonetisation?

One thing that must be taken into account is that the F164a was not discovered until after the recall of all the pre decimal coinage , and that means that none were syphoned out of the vast numbers of the 1908s still in circulation back in 1967. This disproportionate survival rate of known scarce and rare types can be seen with the 1912 and 1912H , as when I was young in the 1960s the 1912s were really common, but the 1912H was scarce, but if you look on e-bay today there are far more 12Hs than 12s due I think to the hording of 12H and the 12s being withdrawn and melted down. I would personally think that the F164a is as rare as R15 ie 101 to 250, this judged by the numbers turning up and the prices they attain. As you say more are coming to light all the time, and its down to the internet , and the high quality of the pictures now available to us making them easer to spot. just my opinion but I think that they are just a little rarer than the open 3 ,