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It was exactly 6 months ago today that I started my pre 1860 Victorian copper penny collection, and as I've been obsessively scouring dealer's lists, auction sites and e bay on a daily or even twice daily basis since, I thought it might be quite informative to state scarcity of the different varieties as I've experienced them, out of interest. I've now got almost all the main types, except for 1843 no colon after reg, 1849, 1856 OT and 1860/59. This is how I've found the Bramah and Peck varieties availability:- Bramah 2a - 1841 light curved marking to left of foot of 4, an 8 having apparently been commenced there - *one seen, correctly attributed, bought, dealer EF Bramah 2c - 1841 the upper arm of last F is halfway down upstroke - two seen, one bought, e bay, EF, neither attributed, just offered as date type. Bramah 3b - 1843 Last E is incomplete having no base stroke or upper serif to up-stroke (DFF) - none seen Bramah 4b - 1844 as 3b - *one seen, dealer, correctly attributed, bought, F Medusa 1847 - *one seen offered, not bought. Bramah 10a/Peck 1494 - 1848/6 - *one seen, bought, dealer, VF . Same dealer had another touted as 1848/6, but magnification showed it clearly wasn't. Bramah 15/Peck 1503 - 1853 OT last colon slightly nearer F >5 seen, one bought, dealer, EF. Commoner than I expected and only the one I bought was attributed as such, the remainder offered as date type. 1853 plain trident - 3 seen, one bought, dealer, bargain, EF. The other two sub fine on e bay. Not at all easy to get. Bramah 17a/Peck 1507 - 1854 OT no colons - *one seen and bought, dealer, not quite fine. Bramah 18a/Peck 1505 - 1854/3, none seen offered for sale. Several touted as 1854/6, but, as I suspected, not the real deal. Much rarer than indicated by either Peck or Bramah. Bramah 23a - 1857 OT - no serif to the figure 7 in date - none seen, anywhere. Does this variety even exist? Bramah 24a/Peck 1514 - 1857 PT - date in much smaller figures >5 seen, one bought VF, e bay. Bramah 25c - 1858 - over/? - *one seen, bought, dealer F Bramah 26a - 1858 first I is without serifs - 2 seen, one bought, dealer VF, unattributed. Peck 1517 - 1858 date in smaller figures - *one seen, dealer, bought - doubles up as 8/6 Peck 1520 - 1859 date in smaller figures - >5 seen, one bought, e bay, a/UNC * one only seen offered in the 6 months from any source, before or since the purchase. No attempt yet made to collect any pre 1857 varying date sizes, types, width.

Just the one.... For full disclosure, once I checked it off my list, I didn't actively look for more.... However it did take me awhile to find this specimen... Chingford or Alfnail might have more information regarding population... Its existence proves that they do exist though... Good Hunting.....

1849 is a hard one , I sold one ages ago and got nealy £50 for it - no sort of great shakes as far as grade was concerned - think it had around 20 watchers by the time it finished as well

Bramah 23a

Small unaltered date please. It may turn our that 8 over 6 is also rare but I'll get around to that later.

Having put the 1858 Large Rose Small Date up on my rare penny site, I then checked on the frequency of normal small date 1858 pennies and they seem equally as rare at first glance. London Coins has 9 large date types mis-attributed to small dates, with only 2 genuine (non-large rose) specimens in their archives. I have now added this type to the website and would be pleased to hear of more examples (with pictures please).

My Man. From the 60s to the 20s'. This is, was, and always will be my music. Bam Bam me man. R.I.P.

Interesting infomation board from the dickens house in london

I sold my only one not realising it was one !