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This beauty flew across on my way down the lane to the workshop. I pulled out a cheap Lumix, 12x zoom, and click.....I'm really pleased - normally all I get is a tiny fuzzy speck.... Sparrowhawks are astonishingly beautiful up close- so many shades from cream to dark brown, particularly the wing covers. If you had to do a Painting by Numbers of this you would have a hundred pots of paint!

"Hi Susie Worm" "Hi John Worm. What's new?" "Nothing. But something not new.. I found another Roman sestertius the other day. My collection is really coming along" "So that's 2 sestertii, 3 belt buckles, 1 Spice Girls fan club badge, 6p, 3 discarded face masks, an empty Special Brew bottle, and a used syringe, right?" "Yeah. Gonna sell the lot at Baldworms when the time's right"

What I was trying to say was: 1. Person puts 2 (or more) pennies aside at the time they were issued. These would be strikes from the same die if got from a bank. 2. The pennies stay in the same family for generations. 3. In modern times the current owners decide to sell, which means two pennies struck within minutes of each other, appear on the market in a relatively short space of time, complete with identical die flaws.

A pity the only face on image or clear image is the museum picture - but perhaps not surprising. If it stays low enough it might be worth buying just to leave crappy feedback.

And there is further and more ‘in depth’ discussion of the rules regarding loss and compensation elsewhere on their site. The problem is that the coin is now known not to be lost, and as far as I can see the compensation is only an entitlement where the object is lost, as at one stage it was. The provision may no longer stand. However there is no mention of subsequently recovered objects in the published rules, though in general terms insurance compensation paid is taken to be in lieu of the object ownership in the event of recovery. If the purchaser is intent on getting the coin for free, then Richard is wise to be seeking legal advice, if indeed this is the case, and I look forward to hearing the outcome. I would not feel comfortable selling/posting coins to any individual who declined to pay under these circumstances, on moral grounds irrespective of the law, and I hope it is not the case here. Jerry

I think for his own peace of mind Richard has done the right thing by asking someone who can give him the right legal answers. I am sure it will get sorted out quickly and easily , my initial concern was someone doing or asking for something that was not legally right.

But it's not the only F14 with those flaws Mike, check out this one form LCA June 2017.

Richard, I'm not convinced that Royal Mail can pursue any claim against you, as the possibility of the item subsequently turning up much later, and being delivered, is not (as far as I can see) in their terms, conditions and exclusions of claim for loss. They define loss as follows:- There is no further qualification to this (as far as I can see). Hence, in the absence of such provision, the item surely remains still legally "lost". The "evidence to the contrary to demonstrate that the item has not been lost" surely only applies up to and including the end of that tenth day. If it doesn't exist then, which it didn't, it never can. link to RM loss/compensation rules

I suspect the metal detector will answer your questions. Not convinced by the magpie theory- they collect shiny objects to decorate the nest to attract a mate, and its the wrong time of year for that. Unless you’re my wife, who seems to do it all year round, and especially at Christmas .......perhaps I should take the hint? Jerry

Agree same coin Mike.

And I think this would perhaps qualify as an alternative ONF penny - nearly even PFNNY too!! Certainly many letters are weak or deficient. A good diagnostic I suspect of this fourth die. Any other specimens out there?

I'm not convinced. It's a pretty poor survival strategy, to bury random nut-sized objects for the lean times: Squirrel: "I'm starving, think I'll pop and get those things I buried last autumn." "Bollocks, another sestertius. Could have sworn it was a hazelnut." I think a squirrel would know the difference between a piece of metal and food.

It looks to me like a forth die, the cracks are clearly nowhere near the same location as on the other three dies .

I've written to a solicitor colleague of mine to establish the exact legal position before I contact the buyer, in order to make sure all the facts are clear. I certainly don't want to start a dialogue with the buyer based on assumption and hearsay. He was honest enough to tell me that he'd received the coin so I hope that it can all be resolved amicably.

Thank you for your reply Jerry and could not understand why if someone received payment for something regardless who from they would ask for the money again or the return of something .The contract was resolved and full payment made to the sender by the insurance company and is upto the insurance company if they wish to proceed. As you mention Jerry it is afterall the seller who needs compensation and he has had it. I also thought possibly wrongly that the packet had been wriiten off and was not up to the person the insurance company had paid to ask for payment again or the return of something they NO LONGER OWN. Is this not a matter for the insurance company to contact the purchaser if they wish and not the sender who has accepted full payment ? The purchaser notified the seller straight away and was delighted and IMO not hiding anything or done anything wrong.I feel IF Richard was contacted for a return of any money by the insurer (which i dont think they will ) the purchaser only at that time would be responsible to make a payment or return to the insurance company or Richard. I dont profess to be right but asking for another payment ,return or court all does not sound right to me.......although i dont have a clue 😃 As it is today nobody is out of pocket apart from the insurer ,although i am sure they are still making a few quid and a rare coin has turned up that can be continued to be passed down over generations.👍

....and which of the 3 reverses is this one?

The full version is How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? As much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

Hi Jerry, I think there are at least 3 different reverse dies for the F14, all with different, mutually exclusive, die flaws. Please refer to my 2015 post below. More Pennies - Page 29 - British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries - British Coin Forum - Predecimal.com