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Was it me Pete, sounds like the sort of thing I may have said!? You've reminded me that it's about time, but can I just keep back the best 10.....or maybe 100 please? It's so damned difficult to think about parting with one's collection........even when you know it makes sense.

Good enough for me...................

I dont think any inheritees will get as much as the person who collected them if its a decent or high end collection with lots of coins.Most inheritees i assume just get told by the auctioneer that we will do a nice catalogue with some pictures and put prices that will generate interest and put them in as cheap as possible.They may be better off split up and run in a couple of auctions ,some sold privately ,some with high estimates and if they dont sell resubmitted , some slabbed ,descriptions altered ,some sold by dealers on a percentage etc.Rates / fees may be able to be negotiated or should be compared with other Auctioneers and regardless of what spread sheets the auctioneers may not agree with the grades or type / variety ,some may be cleaned and may just be to much for a non collector to take on board.They then sell the coins and take a big percentage off for all the work they did and time etc. I am not knocking Auctioneers or the fees they charge ,its just to them its a collection to be sold just like anyother and the number of collections we see from a collector who has passed away means they know someone else will come along soon with another box. I know the person who inherited the coins may well be glad of the money and happy they sold ,although that does not mean they could of got a lot more whithout the hassle. Unless the death was unexpected IMO its better to sell the coins and leave them the money ,rather than the aggravation of a box of dusty coins they do not have a clue about. I will use the 1860 F14 above as an example and know i would of got more than £600 selling it privately. I remember a forum member telling me a few years ago " i will sell the coins myself before i go ,nobody will get as much as me " and if your reading this i believe you were right 👍

Messrs Roettiers, Croker, Pistrucci etc. what say you?

InheritORS !!!

I bought one of those 2019 sets (to keep, because I didn't have a 2009 Kew) - so that's good news for me at least, Pete 🙂

Yep. It's still cringeworthy though. The continuing infantilisation of something that has no business being infantilised. Bah humbug!

And back to the who Still sounds great after all these years

It looks "very similar". I know this because I asked. "Hi we have looked at others and with it being so old and in the family we have not had it confirmed as a 1860 Pattern Penny Freeman8B it is so worn However it looks very similar to what we have seen Many Thanks"

We will all go Richard , some collectors wont let go of the coins though and literally take them to the grave which is obviously there own choice. Maybe another option for the people who wont sell is to make an agreement with someone in the industry who they know and trust to sell the coins when they have gone and make the people who inherit them aware that they will help and hopefully maximise the money. Even if its just to put them all in one auction they will atleast get someone acting in there interests rather than just passing the box to an auctioneer. If the person in the industry pass away first , they can always find someone else 😃

Totally agree - I just need to know when I'm going to go. I'll add that to the stupid questions asked at Corona Virus briefings.

My personal assessment and attributions are to categorize them as F-274a variants. Inasmuch as the F-274a is considered to actually be a 6 over higher 6, unlike the F-282a which is clearly a 6 over 8, I consider all the various incarnations of 6 over 6 to be F-274a variants. Again, these are only my thoughts and how I have classified them in my collection..

Obverse 5

That's essentially the NORTH & SOUTH of it....

Thanks. It doesn't look quite right compared to the example on Richard's site but obviously it's a lot more worn. The other 4 1861s turned out to be all 7+G, F282 as far as I can tell so nothing exciting there. I didn't have one so the best will fill a gap, and I wanted one to send to the chap who sent me the F269 so he has one of the same date. For a quid each I'm not too distressed.

You just wonder how they could have made such a schoolboy error. They even compounded their own ineptitude by saying "LCW under shield". Unbelievable.

Apparently you are POLES apart....

LOL, must be bad weather up your way....I played with some nickel coins previously as there was some debate about the 1923 & 1924 pattern 3d and 1/- coins being only nickel (vs. copper-nickel) alloy. I suppose there is a threshold point as which increasing the copper in the alloy deters the magnetic property....