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You only ever post links to coins you have for sale, which I don't mind now and again but because you have never actually participated in forum discussion and because I have no way of knowing if you are a genuine seller, I'm afraid I'm going to remove the link above and suspend your account for now.

I finally got around to taking better images which represent my coin. Still cant get my head around finding this as cheap as I did unattributed. As I have not been posting here about my finds I now have a backlog of finds to add to my collection taking photos and sharing here found some amazing coins unattributed.

Happy Days. I think I will have a few pints in the local tonight. Given their pricing, it is clear evidence of the cost of nationwide advertsiing in papers and TV is not insubstantial - or someone has run off with the bank account funds. I would go further than no great loss, as it removes a source of overpriced material sold to people with a limited grasp on coin prices, and as an afterthought, maybe the recent IHT adjustments for pensions etc has led to the wealthy gullible reviewing their methods for passing on things to the descendants.

Full House, Queens over Kings... 😎 Five generations of this coin from the Netherlands. 38 mm, 25 g .945 fine silver Willem II - 1848 Willem III - 1874 Wilhelmina - 1898 33 mm, 15 g .720 silver (the cost of 2 world wars) Julianna - 1959 But even that couldn't be sustained in the modern world... 29mm 10 g 100% Nickel which at least gives it a decent look and feel. This was the the last Rijksdaalders as the Euros came in. Beatrix - 2001 I still need an 1840 2 1/2 Gulden of Willem I to complete the set.

I am impressed that so many of your Whisky bottles still have contents! Mine always seem to spring a leak...

Here are some close ups of the ships I took sometime ago. First is a 5 Incuse, although an older version than my current, then plain then 7 rellief.

Update the seller said I can return the coin if not happy so Im going to go for it.

What is the American MS64 - our GVF?

It really annoys me that the slabbers call the coin a 1/2 p for gods sake its a 1/2 D

Yes, that coin now resides with me! Jerry

Hi Mike To answer your question I personally have only seen four of the Aa type . Below is a picture of the four types I have come across . Top is Ac with the 1 directly over the tooth [ I have seen about six of this type]. Next down is the normal common type Ab with the 1 slightly to the left of the tooth but the 1 its self is almost touching the tooth . Third down is very similar to Ab but the 1 is more to the left of tooth and importantly has a gap between it and the tooth { not listed by Gouby as its to similar to the common Ab type} bottom is Aa with the 1 directly over the gap between the teeth , all three of the rare types have that space between the 1 and the row of outer teeth, as Pete has already said

It's expensive to ship in- you pay exide duty on it. See what I did there?

🤔 yeah I get it..I have a 1930's Nickle 5 Cents the native (Liberty) Indian, it was in a poor way, I polished down the other side until blank, I'm having "Non Mortuus Tamen" added. its going to be a zip pull tag inside my Bike Jacket.🤘🏻 👊🏻

All beer is like that Rob. I personally prefer "afters":

...and as you can see, this part of the garden is a place of quiet contemplation.....

Was not my intention to mislead, and for that I'm sorry. The coin is 1860 2+D.

Sorry i thought from your original post you were looking at a picture and were asking the question as you DIDNT have the coin in hand. "Would you agree that the attached image has no crossbar" Yes i dont think a V has a crossbar 👍 Some people on the forum know why i look for coins everyday and flip for a profit, but dont feel as if i need to explain myself.

@Coinery At first blush, it may appear unrealistic. However, it really depends on how you go about collecting, what you collect or even might consider collecting. Most collectors can and should develop a numismatic point of reference based on experiences… which include the coins seen, the state of preservation, and how often they are offered for sale in the condition desired. Frankly, the best coins I own are the ones I really was not actively seeking at the time I decided to buy them. This really turns into recognizing opportunities but not everyone wants to buy a straw hat in January.

Maybe it’s just your natural approach to things, but I can’t imagine for a second it’ll encourage free unguarded comments going forward, that’s all!

It could certainly be a die flaw. If a developing crack in a working die has only a surface ‘gape’ then the ridge on the struck coin will be shallow and appear to run under the letters. If the crack is more advanced with a deeper gape, deeper than the incuse letters on the die, then the flaw when struck will appear to run over the letters. Statements on Facebook and other forums are just opinions, not necessarily truths. Perhaps that includes mine? Jerry

I wasn’t so much asking for a grade, just that it was a million miles off being an MS64, even if the reverse was FDC. I did include the link to the upcoming sale, where the reverse is available for viewing. Unfortunately, most people who will be bidding on the coin will only have the integrity of the grading company’s number and the images to back it up. Speaking only for myself, I think both are questionable.

If you check my ebay listings, I have an F-275 Last 1 over 1 listed. I also have an F-275 HIGHER F OVER F in F:D: listed. I have never seen another and had questioned Iain Dracott about it, but as he had not seen the purported F/P, he could not be sure whether my coin was actually what was identified as the F/P. See attached image

Interesting page on Heritage Auctions UK comparing NGC grading to PCGS. This has been up for several months at least, it's dated 2015, and the unsigned writer clearly states his views. The link (heritageauctions.co.uk) doesn't seem to post so I've c&p'ed and compressed the paragraph spacing: HERITAGE AUCTIONS The grading of quality and rare coins is a highly specialised skill which can impact tremendously on coin values.signed There are 2 main international grading companies - NGC and PCGS both primarily based in the USA. As they both claim to work according to the Sheldon Scale of grading , one imagines that there should be a high degree of uniformity and consistency in the grading of coins, notwithstanding that sometimes human objectivity may sometimes be compromised if a grader is having an " off " day, for instance. However, levels of consistency can be compared when coins are submitted for " cross-over " grading which is where one of the 2 main companies undertakes to grade the coins at the same existing or other specified grade and will only encapsulate that coin in it's own plastic slab if the coin meets the minimum grade specified by the person submitting the coin. Otherwise the coin is returned intact in the original plastic slab and the submitter is told that the coin did not " grade ". My own experience of crossover is one where the great majority of my PCGS graded coins have failed to cross-over into a NGC slab at the same or a higher grade. I will be providing statistics as time permits. This surely is disturbing? This is why I buy as many NGC graded coins as possible from Heritage Auctions in Dallas, USA. It will be seen by looking at any of their coin auctions that a large proportion of the slabbed coins that they sell are in NGC holders, and given that they are the largest Auction house in the world that must surely say something! OldCopper now: So for older slabs at least, an interesting take. Perhaps things may have changed since.

Agreed!

The lack of credibility (perceived or imagined), stemmed from the conflict of interest of the owners given the connection to LCA, through which many coins were sold at auction. Grading of their slabs in my opinion was rarely an issue, which given their association with GB coinage is as it should be. They were more familiar with British coins than the US TPGs will ever be. As ever, caveat emptor.

London Mint Office has now gone bankrupt. Sad for those who have lost their jobs, but no great loss otherwise.

Ignorance is bliss. There is a raised line on the hull, it just happens to be the ship's handrail running from bow to stern. Mine is very prominent in hand. The atttribution presumaby coming from a phrase search of their limited literature. At the end of the day, it is a business boxing above its weight in terms of knowledge when claiming to be all things to all people and (like Trump) never wrong - hence many fictitious attributions and for knowledgable people, just used as a pointer toward a potentially decent coin. However, an unquestionable marketing success. I don't know if they still offer a cleaning service, but it seems to have laid low after I questioned why they were so intent on selling 'unsightly' wax removal given it was historical evidence of past illustration in early catalogues.

Thanks ! In the hammered coinage there must be some varieties that command the higher premiums? For this coin I think it was mostly right place right time with alot of luck. It kind of fell into my possesion. Initially I did not find the variety, I found the coin then researched the varieties for the type. This was my first find and possibly the best to date.. You can see why and how I become totally consumed by penny varieties. Then shortly after the 1877 F90. Since then I have found many decent coins but not quite of the same calibre of those two. It was enough to be hooked for life and invest more time to learn all I can. I feel now I have run out of avenues for prospection, I find myself looking over the same coins for sale.

Didn't notice myself and the online user number is quite low at the moment. Will put it down to a glitch and keep an eye on it.

That is a particularly good example! Jerry

Worn collars? Reduced striking force to preserve the dies? Different degrees of circulation? Wartime conditions will often lead to slightly flexible interpretation of the rules. Even within nominally identical parts, engineering tolerances can lead to something that looks wrong, even if functionally and usefully ok. Think along the lines of WW1 pennies that were often weakly struck to save replacing the dies so often.

Good points, but on the other hand there are still stamp, postcard, audio cassette, model car, etc, collectors. I think there are many areas of collecting where the object itself is long out of fashion, yet the 'collecting gene' needs to be fulfilled.

I think probably the opposite. People not using actual cash means they are exposed to less of it, or even none of it. So casual collectors who keep the odd shiny coin and perhaps get into coins that way will be far fewer. There will probably always be people who deliberately spend cash in order to get change to check and collect from but I wonder if the younger generation growing up now who have only ever paid electronically are a lot less likely to become coin collectors of any kind.

I would agree with 9 + K. F317. The underside of the first leaf in the top 2 rows line thru. Date width covers 14 teeth. R16. Well spotted.

Someone has started drilling it with a hole drill and given up. Or maybe it was being used as a backstop when they were drilling something else.

oh wow- I have a B40 and an R107T as well...

still to be engraved...just need to find someone trustworthy. ....... 🤔😟

It certainly IS (both) !

Wow, I never knew Ever Ready made whisky! Alkaline alcohol?

As do mine! Hopefully the cognac my father gave me the other day will be more ... resistant 😉

Infantino will be the next president with Trump as his VP.😱 I'm pretty sure the bookies will give you 5-1 on that too; they like nothing more than taking money off mugs.

If he manufactures another world war, then he would try to retain the position, just like Roosevelt was retained in power as an emergency measure. However, someone, somewhere will take him out before that happens. 99.9% certain of that because the queue of people chomping at the bit would go round the White House many times over. Sanity will be restored once the Senate and Congress regain their moral compass, and the Supreme Court grow a pair of balls rather than kow-towing to his ego.

I think he has already explored that option, but if he tried to enact it, all hell would let loose and would result in massive internal upheaval of the violent kind. As ever, he says something and waits for the reaction before pursuing whatever he is trying to implement. The military swears an oath of allegiance to the Constitution, not Trump, so you have an instant division of the armed forces, and as much as he thinks he is popular, that would be a step too far in the view of most Americans, whatever side they are on. Only him and his buddies would benefit in the short term at the expense of the rest of the population who will of necessity have a hard time. But in time he will turn on his friends too, as all dictators end up doing this eventually when someone disagrees with them. IMO It won't fly - thankfully.

Yes in my opinion 100% correct 👍🤦‍♂️ On my phone a caught the 🤦‍♂️picture 😃

Really? That's very interesting. Another case for using a sniping service.

I like that there are variations with the 1799. I have 3 - 5 incuse gunports (which seems to be the most common), 7 relief gunports and plain hull. The best is probably this 5 incuse:

True! It has a beautiful style and I prefer it to the 1806 type

Depends on the age of the collar, and how intact the links are. Eventually it will burst with a resulting mistrike, likely quite spectacular. A small ring of raised excess metal is a good diagnostic tool for working out how much circulation the coin has seen. If still visible and obviously worn down, it ain't unc, despite offering some added protection to the die relief.

That picture is much clearer and yes Gouby BP1898 Ba

Although a better picture would be good, i think its Ca which is rarer still. Good investment " for a few pounds " king Kenny" 👍