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That's sad. I lost my mum to a brain tumour in 2021. By the time she was diagnosed it was stage 4. Three months she lived from diagnosis to passing away. Affected us all deeply. Thank you for replying. I look forward to seeing your future research when you are publishing your findings. Stu.

No problem.It was only afterwards when i was looking at it thinking how's it been made it dawned on me that it looks like it was soldered on. It looks like the right arm on the figure has fallen off and possibly the E on that side as well or not enough solder was used and it just smudged the E. That would explain why it's unique as it's literally been handmade by someone. I doubt you could make another even similar without adding or losing bits. It's something to be on the look out for in the future. I have seen similar work on fake stycas. Usually though with them they go back to bare metal when you plunge them in acetone as the patina is painted on them. Stu.

Is it just me or does the design & lettering look like it was applied using a soldering iron ? Strange blobs where the metal has been applied then smeared / spread out ? Stu.

Liz is the one i meant when i said chris rudd. She's running his website & sales. She will do free evaluations for people. Get in touch with her and let us know her verdict. Sorry to sound sceptical but i often see fake coins with unusual pairings for sale on ebay. It's a common theme done on purpose so you cannot compare the coin to an original to pick out the differences. I see it quite often with fake styca & sceatta. Anyway good luck and keep us posted.

I can't answer those questions. My gut feeling is its not genuine. It just looks really crude to me. How big is it ? I've weighed my cranborne chase silver stater which is a fairly large coin for a celtic coin and its 5.12 grams. My smaller Iceni unit weighs 1.15 grams. To give you some perspective of size I've put the Iceni unit next to a 2023 5p. Best advice i can give you is measure it , weigh it and take some high quality images of it and send them to Chris Rudd. His contact address should be somewhere on his website. Google will get you there.

I personally think it is fake. Each side is from a different coin which should be gold. I can't find anything like it in Spink or Van Ardsell. I think it's a fantasy piece. One side appears to be similar to the one linked above by Peckris and one side is trying to be this but doing a bad job in my opinion. https://en.numista.com/459267

Yes i saw the canal one. Bad the way that barge went down like the Titanic. You been watching the ROC post in Tunstall on the East Yorkshire coast as it slowly eroded out the cliff's and fell on to the beach ?

This one perhaps or similar. I can read Parthico on the worn side. https://it.numista.com/253249

Yes it's not great. It's pulled most of the information off the convict records site i linked above. It might be able to pull up some stuff off one of the Genealogy website's about him though 🤞

You should be able to find out more about him using Gemini Ai. I pulled this up quickly. You could probably ask further questions and get some more details from it. https://gemini.google.com/share/1a43cd2e2c35

I am not a member. I found the site by chance using "George Pettet Transported to the Colonies" as a google search. It was the top link.

https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/pettet/george/97932 Could be him. According to the details added later on by a lady called Diane Jones he was executed for a murder carried out in Oatlands , Australia a few years after he arrived in Australia.

That is a tough one. My first impression was George Pettet. But it's a C punch instead of a G. Perhaps he didn't have a G punch. But if that was the case there could be other letters substituted by other punchs so it would make it extremely difficult to research i guess.

Apoligies for the misunderstanding. I am not too clued up on those type of marks. They are chop marks i think. There may be a book somewhere with them in. I know there is books on the counterstamped trade tokens of the 18th century & 19th century covering the likes of the Bradford & Keighley workhouse tokens to name a few. Galata do a good one.

I suppose it depends what you've got to work with. EJ ❤ FD on a love token is not going to go anywhere. It just depends how much information you have to start with. If you've got full names and a date you might be able to find something out but you are probably going to need a paid subscription to ancestry or some other Genealogy website and even then it might lead knowhere as there likely will of been more than one person with that name around the same period. I got lucky with my cartwheel penny as it had the guys full name , rank and unit engraved into it.

That's been to hell & back 😆 I think it's probably a cast piece rather than a forged die. The legends are neat.

The plot thickens. Another overdate spotted in the wild. Ebay. 1820 over 1819. Any sign of Seuk ? Love to know his take on these overdate forgeries it's strange yet fascinating.

Someone has took a genuine 1820 coin and altered it to 1817 then cast it i assume. Anyway....I found the paper's that Gary Oddie wrote if anyone is interested. They are all on the link here...https://britnumsoc.blog/2021/10/09/counterfeit-shillings-of-george-iii-1816-1820-iv-a-contemporary-mould-revisited-gary-oddie/

I assume there must be a known genuine die of this overdate? Must be cast surely. Then again that makes no sense. Why overdate it with an older date. Very odd. I wonder if the word got out that 1820 shillings where being counterfeited thus giving extra scrutiny to coins with that date so the forger altered the date to take some of the scrutiny away 🤔

Sad news about Gary. I never met him but heard lots of good things about him. He was born in the town i reside in. I just dug my shilling out as this post had sparked my interest. Never even noticed it before but it's got a clear overdate. 1817 over 1820. That's something i have never seen in a counterfeit coin before.

Just found an obituary for him i think so that's a no go on any further research. Passed away last February.

Gary Oddie has written a few papers about them. He was doing a study of them. Not sure if he still is but his old paper's should still be online somewhere.

Yes i agree it has to be spurious. The dates not lined up properly and the G & R in Geor are out of proportion with the other letters. I have a contemporary forgery silver washed brass shilling dated 1817.

Welcome to the forum Jill. Thats a really nice find. Don't often see that sub class turn up. Congratulations !

Try and get some more capsules for them like the one the Jubilee head Victoria is in. Those PVC ones break down over time and leave a sticky green residue on your coins.