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I agree that the fact that the others are all clearly English and mostly class 6 and 7 makes the Ilger more likely than not English too rather than a continental imitation. I don't think we can rule it out completely yet though. Either way it's a nice group.

Now we know its origins Gerry agrees that there may be enough irregularities for it to be a continental, although with the short-cross series irregularities are not necessarily indicative of anything. He says he'll take another look at it when he has some time. Rene, maybe you could post some pictures of the other Henry III coins is the find so that we can try to ID those and determine if they are English or possible continentals?

I wondered that too, but thought it looked a bit too good for one of those. The fact it was found in Europe does make me wonder again though and I did think that the initial cross was a bit weird as well.

Gerry agrees that it is a class 7a3 and is a new reverse legend to him. And if Gerry says it's new to him, then I it's probably new to everyone. Good find Rene.

I've posted an update in the original thread.

I've checked my copies of Mass and the very comprehensive Short Cross Legends (by Gerry Slevin) and neither have it, so yes it appears to be a very nice unrecorded variant. I think it's a class 7a3, although I'm happy to be corrected. I've emailed Gerry for his opinion on the variant and the class.

I’d have been 12 in 1967 and 11 or 12 sounds about the age I’d have been searching. I used to stay at my nan’s in Seven Kings in the summer holidays and get bags from the bank nearly every day, mainly pennies, halfpennies and threepences, but sometimes sixpences or shillings Never found a 1918 or 1919KN, 1869, 1950, 1951 or 1953 penny or 1946, 1949, 1950 or 1951 threepence. Lots of pre-1947 silver, but hardly and pre-1920 I still have the albums. Mostly worn rubbish, but pretty nostalgic.

Nothing very interesting for you, just an 1866 penny that I found in a bag when I was about 12 (so almost 60 years ago). I remember finding it because it was the best Victoria Penny I ever found in my numerous 10/- (?) penny bag searches. When I found it it had been highly polished, but has mostly toned again now, although I assume that it can still be recognised as polished. I assume it was someone's lucky penny and it accidentally found its way back into circulation. Anyone care to ID it variety-wise?

Here's my 11b with :

It does look copperish TBH, but at 28.28g compared to my 1890 and 1892 at 28.29g I think it's fine.

What about the aluminium and baking soda method? Is that better or worse than Goddards? Or are they equally good/bad?

It’s certainly the darkest and most even I’ve seen.

It certainly looks like it been exposed to something. Would it be one for dipping?

Any comments on the heavy toning on this 1891 crown? I was wondering how would it get that dark even colour on both sides? Or has it been treated somehow?

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