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That one certainly is. However did it get graded AU? Are those flat areas due to a weak strike or something?

The star is common across several classes and is an initial mark rather than a mint mark which denotes the start point of the obverse legend. The reverse legend is clearly NIC | OLE | ONC | ANT So it’s Nicole on Cant The use of ligated (joined together) letters (ON and AN in this case) on the voided long cross series can be confusing to the beginner.

Classes 1-10 are Edward I. Neither are class 15d (Edward III), so 11-15 would be Edward II.

The first is a Henry III voided long cross vlass 3b, moneyer Nicole on London. I think the second is a class 10 Edward I penny of London.

Neither are class 1a. The obverse legends put the first in the range 10-15 and the second In the range 6-13. Both are London mint.

The obverse legend reads EDWA R ANGL DNS HYB I can't see any contraction (abbreviation) marks (commonly apostrophes) after any of the parts of the legend, although they could still be there unseen by me. The reverse legend reads CIVI TAS LON DON - So the mint is London That obverse legend is common to classes 6b, 8a, 10ab-11, 12a and 13 with 10ab-11 being the most common. So Edward I or Edward II (from class 11). Definitely not Edward III class 15d because the obverse legend doesn't fit. The left fleur on the crown looks broken to me, so that would probably mean class 11a. which would make it Edward II. That's my attempt with close reference to my Galata Guide to the Pennies of Edward I and II Edit: I should add that it is not really my main area of expertise, but I do have a fair number of these pennies (more than 30) and a good book on the subject.

First is London, but not so sure about the second. Maybe an A in the middle of the first part, so Canterbury?

Ah, I didn’t notice the diameter. Could be a threefarthings then.

Not really my period, but it looks like a 1561 Elizabeth I threehalfpence to me. The third, fourth and fifth issues did have dates, although not the penny.

I think I can see DRE, which could make it: Alisandre on C, G or GI (Ipswich) or R (Rochester). That would make it John class 5b or 5c. or Andrev on London, Canterbury, Lincoln or Winchester. Also John class 5. There's definiitely a ligated ND, but that wouldn't necessarily help to differentiate between the two. Possibly a C at the end of the mint signature? So, I'm going for ANDREV.ON.NIC, John class 5, Lincoln mint Anyone else?

Not much to go on, but definitely a John (Class 5 ?) or Henry III (class 6?)short cross penny. Still trying to work out the moneyer and mint

I agree that the fact that the others are all clearly English and mostly class 6 and 7 makes the Ilger more likely than not English too rather than a continental imitation. I don't think we can rule it out completely yet though. Either way it's a nice group.

Now we know its origins Gerry agrees that there may be enough irregularities for it to be a continental, although with the short-cross series irregularities are not necessarily indicative of anything. He says he'll take another look at it when he has some time. Rene, maybe you could post some pictures of the other Henry III coins is the find so that we can try to ID those and determine if they are English or possible continentals?

I wondered that too, but thought it looked a bit too good for one of those. The fact it was found in Europe does make me wonder again though and I did think that the initial cross was a bit weird as well.

Gerry agrees that it is a class 7a3 and is a new reverse legend to him. And if Gerry says it's new to him, then I it's probably new to everyone. Good find Rene.

I've posted an update in the original thread.

I've checked my copies of Mass and the very comprehensive Short Cross Legends (by Gerry Slevin) and neither have it, so yes it appears to be a very nice unrecorded variant. I think it's a class 7a3, although I'm happy to be corrected. I've emailed Gerry for his opinion on the variant and the class.

I’d have been 12 in 1967 and 11 or 12 sounds about the age I’d have been searching. I used to stay at my nan’s in Seven Kings in the summer holidays and get bags from the bank nearly every day, mainly pennies, halfpennies and threepences, but sometimes sixpences or shillings Never found a 1918 or 1919KN, 1869, 1950, 1951 or 1953 penny or 1946, 1949, 1950 or 1951 threepence. Lots of pre-1947 silver, but hardly and pre-1920 I still have the albums. Mostly worn rubbish, but pretty nostalgic.

Nothing very interesting for you, just an 1866 penny that I found in a bag when I was about 12 (so almost 60 years ago). I remember finding it because it was the best Victoria Penny I ever found in my numerous 10/- (?) penny bag searches. When I found it it had been highly polished, but has mostly toned again now, although I assume that it can still be recognised as polished. I assume it was someone's lucky penny and it accidentally found its way back into circulation. Anyone care to ID it variety-wise?

Here's my 11b with :

Any comments on the heavy toning on this 1891 crown? I was wondering how would it get that dark even colour on both sides? Or has it been treated somehow?

It does look copperish TBH, but at 28.28g compared to my 1890 and 1892 at 28.29g I think it's fine.

What about the aluminium and baking soda method? Is that better or worse than Goddards? Or are they equally good/bad?

It’s certainly the darkest and most even I’ve seen.

It certainly looks like it been exposed to something. Would it be one for dipping?