oldcopper

Thanks. And Spinks lighting makes the marks more obvious.

Comparing the 1837 in both catalogues shows the very unflattering colour quality of the Adam's catalogue. Only fully BU coins or near so showed any orange, and the 1837 didn't look lustrous at all.

I was the underbidder, but thought hundreds would have spotted it, so didn't hold out too much hope. Perhaps I should have gone a bid or two higher.

I presume they'll still be on the CNG website archive.

Yes, sorry, I was just talking about the copper as it would have more relevance to them buying the more expensive Workman pieces.

Though I can't be sure of course, I don't think Atlas bought them as they have got a good eye for copper that they can buy at reasonable prices, mark up strongly and still sell, so eg coronets at what would be $30k plus would feel like a stretch. Also I have never seen them risk buying unprecedentedly really expensive copper ie none of the copper from Cope 1 has turned up on their website (which I check reasonably regularly) with the exception of that relatively cheap 1849. Recent earlier sky-high copper (eg 2023, 1699 halfpenny plus farthing ex Heritage) hasn't appeared with them either to my knowledge. They got the 1849 for a good price and if I'd hung around for it, I might have bid up to that figure if not more. It was less bright in the hand than the 1837 though.

American perhaps? and the same person probably got a lot at the first Geoffrey Cope auction. You get the feeling whoever it is has an unlimited budget and likes their big ticket copper and bronze proofs and patterns. A bad combination for the rest of us!

I thought that for part 1, until the prices for the ones I wanted went ballistic.

like the coin dealer David Seaman used to be goalkeeper for England?

A LOT better!

Incredible! - can't wait to see the catalogue, though presumably online only as have been the last few SR auctions. Never seen a dreadnought for sale before . I don't think the 1882 no H is the finest, and giving it a teaser estimate of 2-3K means SR don't either. I'm sure Gerald Jackson had a lustrous one back in Spink USA 2014 which went for $18K from memory, perhaps Noble's mint state specimen as mentioned by Peck in his 1967 BNS Addendum.

Could be a copper fake - worth checking its weight.

I liked Neil's statement in the intro to the fixed price list: (from memory it was) "the undoubted star of the copper section is the 1827 penny". The "copper section" consisted of two coins - the 1827 penny and a £150 NEF cartwheel penny. So I can't argue with that assertion!

Interesting! It's a make of jeep apparently - I didn't know that!

Yes, if that's the copper one.