Peckris 2

The 1946 dot has been published for a long long time. It was a footnote in Peck and later Freeman. It was included in Gouby's first "Bronze Penny", and I was instrumental in getting it into Spink about 10 or so years ago.

Is that the missionary position, or just that you've posted the picture sideways?

I'd go AEF (as a cautious minimum).

Not at all - it was an entirely new design so nothing to be nostalgic about. 'Commemorating' new designs, in that sense.

Agreed. It's not "one in a series". Like my 1964 filled die sixpence with the I of GRATIA missing - unless others turn up and it gets recorded, I'm not going to make a fortune from it.

That will teach me not only to go back and look at a missed picture, but read the rest of the page as well! That makes your example possibly unique? And therefore sadly undesirable as a collectable though a very interesting curio.

I think it may well be because 1911 fell between the death of the crown as currency (either 1901 or 1902) and its rebirth purely as a commemorative (1927 and after).

I hadn't seen your picture (I often reply to a topic without noticing there are more pages, unread). That dot is somewhat elliptical though not the apostrophe it clearly is on other examples. Two hypotheses: 1. It started as an ellipse which 'grew' a tail due to deformation. 2. It started as an 'apostrophe' but the tail - being rather thin and fine - got filled in.

The 1946 have never been a 'dot' but more like an apostrophe.

Did they meet at a dansak?

True story: my late dad's bladder complaint was operated on by a surgeon called Dick Pocock.

Try reading my post out loud...

I wish I'd bitten the bullet and bought early milled in the 90s. I'm not saying I could have easily afforded it then, but compared with now... Mind you, I do have a representative type of William III crown, shilling and sixpence in at least VF. "All" I need now is a halfcrown to complete the set but the prices of them are a bit ouch.

You sure it wasn't Mike Hunt? Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?

A friend gave me a Big Big Train album - I do enjoy it, but of modern 'prog' I think I prefer Steve Wilson, Mercury Rev, Radiohead, Porcupine Tree, and The Reasoning.

It's a very interesting question. A vague comparison would be rare records. I recently updated my own 'collection' (mostly bought as music not as rarities!) and where a flexidisc was issued by a music paper, it's worth twice as much if the issuing edition is with the disc.

Is that a specimen, Mike? It has a pronounced rim.

My point was not that people didn't collect base metal, but that they didn't collect CURRENT coins. In fact, that only began (slowly) after WW2.

It's an area ripe for study. Certainly collectors in Victorian times (as opposed to mere "putters away" of new types) didn't really bother with their own base metal coinage, and the rarity of BU bun pennies possibly bears this out. Had that changed by 1913? Very difficult to say, but it may be that "putters away" of 1913 pennies accounted for the survival of now rare varieties in high grade, the circulated examples of which were swept up in 1971. I absolutely agree with the case of people putting away examples of new reigns when they first appeared, which helps explain why the 1902LT penny is relatively easy to find in top grades, it being the earlier variety and therefore the first to appear.

It could be that it was noticed but because no-one collected "base metal modern" at the time, it may have been regarded as just a curio?

It looks far too good to be true (doesn't mean it isn't of course) - but it does look like a modern repro.