Peckris 2

I think the last two images are the best - they show the coin in its natural tone and are a sufficient size. (Probably didn't really need most of the others.) Nice farthing.

This one was 18!

Yet they seem to be "old fogeys" who claim to have been there at the time, but they seem to have very short memories for anything except urban myths! Mind you, they weren't numismatists so they had no special interest in the subject as we did.

Yes - and the biggest jump in 1971 was March to April (nearly 3%) which seems to point the finger squarely at decimalisation. However, when you look at the equivalent figures in 1969, 1970, and 1972, again the biggest jump is March to April, which seems more to point the finger at the end/start of a tax year than anything else.

Got it in one. Plus all the usual "biggest con inflicted on the British public" "some prices doubled overnight" "someone charged 16p for something that was 1/6 before" nonsense!! Amazingly, more than 3/4 of the posts are to that effect. Talk about urban myths.

That actually says 1952 and the post hasn't been edited. Where did 1852 come from?

Sorry to bring coins into this discussion, but... Could this result in the first overdate for very many years?

Here's one of the biggest problems. There are Brexiters who claim that over 80% of voters at the last General Election voted for Brexit as both Conservative and Labour manifestos accepted it and would implement it. That may well be true, but who votes about Europe at a General Election? And how many read a manifesto, especially just one small paragraph about Europe? My MP is a Labour Remainer in a city that voted Remain. There will be many in 2017 who voted for a particular party as they had all their life, but even those that didn't must have voted here for a man who was clearly pro-EU. And repeat that scenario in many constituencies across the land. So the GE result should be wholly disregarded for the Brexit question.

I'm currently in a nostalgia thread on Facebook, where someone posted the introduction of decimal coins in February 1971. Guess what the predominant comments are, that are driving me up the wall trying to show the evidence to disprove?

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Always seeing obverse, still can't find reverse...

Not your fault - but what a url !!

Or if M&B Mild, 1/10 ! By the way, I still remember 5p meters in 1980-82, i.e. the immersion heater in our bedsits bathroom.

Yes, good point - I'd forgotten the meter / vending machine factor, which made things a LOT easier for businesses during the changeover. Of course, the 50p presented its own problems in 1969 but at least it wasn't replacing '10 bob note' machines. As for phone boxes, I can't remember what the upgrade was for them - it was 4d pre-decimalisation, so I think they were gradually upgraded to take 2p instead, though I'm not sure what the timescale was : the 2p didn't come into effect until February 71 and the 1d was demonetised in August 71, so I'm guessing the GPO (or perhaps BT already by then?) went round like mad things upgrading phone boxes in those few months.

I wonder if anyone has heard of tinyurl?

That is truly scary.

I think "most" is a loose interpretation of the facts! A few, certainly. Van Dijk is the main man though - and someone would have got him (City? Barcelona?) if we hadn't got there first.

Not so. They put 65m ahead of 17m and that's their duty.

True.

Just hoping we don't draw either Manchester in the quarters.

I understand, but this is all in hindsight. We forget the mammoth task involved in getting the public used to decimalisation after a lifetime with £sd. The whole point - really, the WHOLE POINT! - of having 5p and 10p the same size as shillings and florins was to introduce the first two decimal denominations seamlessly, so people could get used to them side by side with their £sd equivalents. The weight-to-value principle was abandoned in the early 90s, so the only real argument is whether it should have been done before then? "The retention of the pre-decimal coins long after their system's demise gave the impression of a complacent and inefficient Britain" Has the author given a source for this? Speaking for myself, I have never ever heard that argument before.

Lucky you! I'm listening on 5Live Extra!

Not so. A number of Remain supporters have said they would nevertheless stand by the result of the first referendum. Those would presumably vote for May's deal. Any voting split is a complete unknown. At any rate, they've just voted to reject No Deal, thank goodness - which should hopefully silence many of those who simply hate the EU so much they are willing to pay ANY price to leave. I don't think the EU would exact a heavy price - I simply cannot understand the people who think the EU are headed by petty malevolents who aim to punish us. In any case, an extension has to be agreed by all the other 27 member states. The EU doesn't want No Deal, but looking at it from their point of view, they've fixed up a deal after WE decided to leave and now that Parliament has rejected it (twice) they have no option but to throw it back at us and ask us "Well, what DO you want? When you decide then come back and let us know."

The EU have given as much as they can. After all, it was us who voted to leave, what were they going to do? Yes, business is suffering, but Labour's proposal for Brexit was accepted in principle by the EU, but May just refused to listen to anyone. So, it's all come back to bite her. Tomorrow Parliament will probably vote to reject No Deal, and where we go from there is anyone's guess. We will leave, that much is clear, though we will suffer as a nation as a result. But how, when, and on what basis, is all to play for. It's no use blaming the EU though - they don't want No Deal any more than we do, but have offered as much as they can. The Irish backstop was always going to be trickiest part of the whole thing.