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@Rob Do you happen to have any photos of this coin you mentioned? I saw the one in the Ashby collection, and just acquired another with the overmark on obverse only (while slightly double struck, it seems apparent to me). What do you think?

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had purchased from Teutoburger Münzauktion auctions before? Specifically, I didn't see any information about the way pre-sale bids are executed. I assume that bid submitted online before the auction will be carried out in the normal fashion during live bidding, in that the lot will sell for the lowest possible price. However, because I didn't see anything specifically about it, I got worried that if I submit a maximum bid amount the bidding might open at my bid. Does anyone know that it happens the first way? Thanks!

So a quick update if anyone is interested, I did win a lot at the last auction and the processing was super fast. The total was 240EUR, 17% commission, and shipping brought my total to 305.8EUR. For what I got I thought it was a good price - shipped same day as payment (they accepted PayPal which was convenient), shipping from Germany to USA door to door was 3 days via FedEx with signature. I placed my max bid like a month early, and just waited for the results to come in and like they mentioned it sold for the lowest possible (I assume because it wasn't my max bid). Overall, I thought it was a pretty nice buying experience. I will say though, all four hammered coins in the lot came in one plastic flip sleeve, all on the same side? Is this normal? You would think for 300 EUR they could at least spring for two plastic flip sleeves. I understand the ticket is on one side and all the coins are on the other which is convenient for tracking, but I thought the last lot I bought from LCA they were all separate. I can say though, that the single coin sleeve was in Self-Adhesive Corrugated Wrap labelled as "Coins Inside!", in another bulkier cardboard package, inside a FedEx bubble sleeve, inside a FedEx box... which overall all seems secure. Just wanted to share if anyone was interested in future auctions, it didn't seem like there were many on here who had purchased from them before.

This was an interesting comment based on the recent DNW auction I was watching. It made me think more - what does the "Estimate" mean? I thought it was a best professional judgment on what the Lot would be worth, but is it now acting more as simply a reserve price for the auction house? Or is the recent "market" just overpaying? At what point would the market force the conclusion that these are simply under-estimates? (But if they up the auction, the minimum bid may deter bidders? I know I would not have considered the coin I was watching had the estimate been more correct). After a month of hopeful anticipation, and waking up at 5am with some coffee to watch the auction, having submitted a bid three times the estimate in hopes of easily winning, for a lot estimated around 100£...

Hi, I was just wondering about thoughts on how common various degrees of double striking would be, like if someone was aware of some standard where a coin would have been rejected for distribution by the mint. I came across this James 1 shilling which is so double struck, the "M" in "MAG" looks like two "As" (among other things like two left shoulders and a distorted shield). Thanks for any thoughts!

In case anyone else had the same question, I received a clarifying response from the auction house (see below): "We will take your bid as you bid in the room. If you bid 1000,- for a lot what is estimate with 500,- and we have no bid you will get it for 450,- (90 %), if there is a bid in the book for 600,- you will get if for 650,- (always + commission). If you will win a lot"

I agree... when minting has become increasingly/entirely mechanical, it seems that people strive to find 'microscopic' double striking in some cases which may or may not considerably increase the value of the coin. With hammered coinage, this massive kind of double striking is cool in that it actually is completely altering the coins appearance (e.g. "AANG", two tails on a horse, and a unique crown/incomplete for Charles). I feel like it adds some artistic appeal, and gives some insight into the day of the person minting - did they notice? (possibly) Did they not care? (probably). Was it the last coin of the day? (we will never know)

Thanks Rob - slight slip-up in my last post was not "MAG" but "ANG", hence why two A's in the obverse legend "AANG"

Hi everyone , My status does not allow me to post in the "wanted" forum, so I am posting here. Does anyone have an electronic copy (or know where I could access/buy a copy) of this publication: "English Civil War Coin Hoards, occasional paper number 51" by Edward Besly, 1987 ISBN: 0 86159 051 1 I even went as far as emailing the British Museum specifically after looking through their website of Research Publication series (this is No. 57) and not being available for purchase - I have not heard back. Any help appreciated!

Thank you, not sure why I couldn't find it online - but I just sent an inquiry about that copy. Thanks again!

Hi all, I recently bought a J1 shilling which was posted with not too much description other than the photos (did not ID mintmark). From the pictures, I believed it to be fifth bust, tower mint mark (1612-1613). The mintmark is pretty worn on the obverse, and not visible on the reverse (however, I seem to make out the general tower shape and three parapets). When I received the coin, it had a ticket which ID'd the coin as 3rd coinage, 6th bust, mm Thistle... which I am assuming is either just wrong, or the incorrect ticket for the coin? I attached two photos below to see if others shared my thoughts... after receiving the ticket, I figured I would try posting on this nifty forum. P.S. After randomly reading some threads on coin photography, please excuse the stand-free living-room-light images haha.

Thanks for the follow-up Rob, I suppose I am going to stick with the concept of Trefoil / Tower, I appreciate you taking a look and giving some input/direction! If you have further reading on James 1 coinage to suggest, I would gladly take note (whilst I wait for my copy of BNJ Vol. 9 to arrive via snail mail).

Rob, thank you for all the quick replies. Here is my best shot at detective work - before your post, I had not considered the possibility of Trefoil/Tower - I struggled and could not find another example of that exact overmark. So I grabbed an image of a mm-tower shilling offline (below), also outlined the trefoil you provided (below), and finally tried an overlay on this current coin. On the other hand, it seems like it would be a strange overmark as I assume converting a tower into a trefoil on a die wouldn't really fully "hide" the tower? Any more thoughts are appreciated

I caved and paid to have the hard copy shipped over, and while it won’t arrive for some time, I assume it’s on its way. Thank you for the offer though!

I know, but the shipping alone for me is £24 where the book is £17. I asked the seller if there is a different way to ship in which case I would get it. I always prefer reading paper anyways

Thanks for looking into it Rob, I also emailed BNJ and they responded saying they are aware that a few articles are missing, and they are working to correct it and expect it to be done by early next year (so maybe soon?). I also saw the copy on eBay, and while an old hard copy would be great, my sense tells me to wait for the free version. Thanks again for all your help!

This article seems to have led me on a merry dance around the internet... for whatever reason, it is omitted from the archived articles on the BNJ website. The list of articles for Vol. 9 are messed up (page numbers), and when I downloaded a "complete" PDF of the journal it skips from page 206 to 229 (although the article is listed in the TOC). I also seem unable to find it though other search engines, websites, etc... Do you (or anyone) happen to know where I could find the article? Again, I appreciate your help

Well thank you very much for the info though, I am going to look at the article soon! There are restrictions on what I can do with so few posts, but "tagging" seemed like one way to possibly call attention to something (that newbies are allowed to do). Cheers!

Hi @Rob, still new to posting but realized I can tag people. I had a question (last post) on your reference of some info for the James I era pyx trials.

Hi Rob, I was wondering where you were referencing the total amount of silver in each pyx from, what source? I was looking through (Ruding, 1840) "Annals of the Coinage of Great Britain and its Dependencies", in the Appendix there are accounts of the assay verdicts from each pyx, but from what I gather not the total weight in silver. I also read (pp. 73/74) a description of the trial of the pyx which made it seem like each Sinthia for each month would be open, and I thought it was saying they would be not only weighed, but then enumerated to see if it matches the expected weight (prior to a procedure for collecting the coins for the assay). Any help appreciated, as I am just beginning to look into this history. Thanks!