Thank you very much for your help, we have had an enjoyable time identifying the coin, even if it is not what we were starting to believe that it might be! Whilst it is disappointing that it is a fake, we have learnt a little about eatrly english coins. again, many thanks. BTW, what is the best way to dispose of a bag full of pre-decimal coins - 1/2d, 1d, 3d, silver 3d, 6d. Most are EII, but there are some George V, VI and Victoria?