Peter

I find it nigh on impossible to grade these hammered coins and tend to fall back on longhand descriptions. If it were a milled coin it would be worse than Fair as some of the legend is unreadable but that's commonplace on hammered stuff even in otherwise higher grade coins. I have a feeling that hammered pieces have become more popular in recent years, in my view largely as a result of internet images being available obviating the need to describe or use grading terms. Buying them off of a dealer's list was often a shot in the dark. I agree it is so hard to grade coins...is an off centred as struck as nice or desirable as a worn centred?

I would add clipped. F+ in parts.

Depends what your definition of VF is. Without pictures it isn't worth speculating. Rather than buy coins and keep asking questions may I suggest you buy The standard guide to grading British coins and Collectors coins GB.Both books are available on this site (or Amazon).Both books are excellent and really good value. For the real varieties there are other publications but we can help with open 3's etc (you are obviously already aware of KN's etc) Personally if you want to take coins seriously keep the best example of the types you already have and armed with info start searching to add to these.

Av circulated £1 each max...thats if they sell

Hi Andrew Most of your coins pictured are bullion value only.Assuming the unpictured coins are of a similar grade on Ebay you might pick up anything between £80 and £150 depending on how you split them up.The top 3 coins I would sell individually.You will then have postage,Ebay & paypal fees. Selling old copper for scrap isn't illegal but you won't get a lot for 7kg of copper. BTW buying 75kg of "unchecked" coins sounds dodgy....not much is unchecked.I've recently shifted about that quantity for £50...they weren't unchecked Unless you're buying from a little old widow or they were found under the floorboards,or the back of an old bank vault I wouldn't want to pay much more than the postage value. Good luck anyway and if you want some fun in putting date runs together...and you never know.

Looks OK from Rob's images however the obverse doesn't look GEF but it maybe it's the angle of the image. It needs a bit of spit and polish to become a choice Unc

I,ve attempted to teach my kids the tables..its basic fundemental maths. How do people understand quantities,money,measurement,interest,mortgages etc etc without this skill? or just maybe they don't.

Thats just Mrs Peters husband Thanks Dave...not since she took me to Saville Row and introduced me to tena for men ...I still shuffle abit though

There is a lot of logic in numismatists post and obviously fuel for the intrinsic coins.There is also a lot more interest in coins due to leisure time and well off silver surfers with their 80% final salary pensions surfing from their paid for 1m homes.I'm a "grey" surfer and can see this in the future. The no date 20p fiasco sent the public into greed overload and friends and colleagues would bring me palmfulls of predecimal tat to value.I showed them a couple of 18C bits of copper and silver and they could believe how cheap they were. The plethora of antique type news and TV programmes has meant millions of us now visit antique centres,auctions and dare I say carboots.Recently I did a carboot and hoards decscended on my bulk bagged tat. Good coins are still cheap,can be inspected in detail over the internet and the buyer can now get TPG.(which is inflating the prices of raw coins) My wife's impression of a coin collector shuffling along in his courdroy jacket and smelling of wee is no longer true.

I love the westair reproductions Ltd...a nice MM when you've just shelled £770 to some youngster.

The US market is an intesting one and probably sits at the top of the ownership tree over all the other nations.Trying not to generalise too much a lot of US collectors seem to be after the modern stuff of which the best demands astronomic prices.A few years ago when we had over $2 to the £1 and with Krause's suspect pricing I bought a lot of coins from Aspen coins,GBC coins and of course Ebay.com (Varieties and some nice pieces).Our own market is constantly being topped up by the metal dector Ebay whether you like it or not is here to stay and althought not fool proof risks can be minimised.Its also on tap 24/7 and a few trips into Ebay (France,Germany etc)have proved rewarding. I can't say I'm too bothered on where the market has been or is going I'm just happy enough to develope my hobby,buy what I like and try not get too badly burnt on the way. Try alternative venue's for a scrummage and maybe try digging a few examples of late Anglo Saxon for yourself.

Not everyone collects model wives,cars,gold hammered....and silver paper from bottle tops (my Dad did). If we all collected the same lived in the same house,drove the same car. You are only the looking after the coins until they get melted at 50p per gram...so enjoy them while you can.

The expertise on the forum I would wager knocks the expertise of said publication...amongst our few we have dealers,authors,publishers...and if Peck hadn't seen one it will be rare.Peck wrote the monumental English Copper,Tin and Bronze and the British museum.There are a few experts (before and after Peck) but his work donates a Peck nr today for coins (sometimes noted as BM...yep British Musuem) although a certain Mr Freeman is also a member on here to penny type thingies and post 1860 pennies have Freeman nrs.You have whetted my coin radar...Its not a small date 1858 Peck miss is it?

I want to stop a bidder on Ebay....gold will not be going to Poland...any suggestions?

We've all got these pooter thingies and google to search (Azda seems top dog at this) Rob is our lexicon of auction figures and Spink is printed in Malta...Predecimal is German...as is Azda. I also have a raging headache which isn't alchol induced..which is unfair.Thank god its Friday...and the invention of tea.

There is always a better one...Ok maybe not the high quality hammered pieces but I once got done by onosecond on a 1914 1/4d only to pick up a few over the next few days.

The last one got me too..however I like halloween,Bonfire night and the kids were concieved over the xmas break...or most of them.

I went to the Drs today and he said my BP is down,my aches in my joints are because of too much decorating and not enough fishing...plus Linda Lusardi is looking old compared to my wife ...the fish and chip supper was nice and the Misses has just found a bottle of Glen Moray in the garage...its nearly Friday and 72 days until Xmas...ain't life great.

I've got another one now...5" x 3 1/2" silver frame....clearly described.... wasn't big enough ...despite being pictured in my daughters hand....I thought it would be bigger....well it was bigger than her pea sized brain.Honestly I wonder how people fart without assistance.

Gents my Garret detector will give you different dings...well it certainly sorts out crud.

Yo still have the receipt? Its not for sale until tomorrow...I always liked the poles...or the ones that picked my asparagus or sliped down poles.I will fack him till he pops.

Umm possibly my first neg. He's now complaining about a non recieved item. I'm gonna play this tossa

I am a complete trust worthy ebayer...why do prats want to spoil this.I've listed a gold coin to a UK address....and why do my wife and daughters get the best bits out of the KFC

I'm a bit miffed as I've just had a second coin "go missing" this week in the post.OK not vast sums involved £37 & £27 but takes the gloss off Ebay...scumbags. Maybe I've been lucky before but the only previous problems have been with recorded delivery. What do you guys do...certificate of posting with the buyer choosing the delivery (their risk).I've also got a non paying buyer...how long do you wait? Rant over

I've bought a couple of bits (never more than about £20), and only tried to sell once... a 1996 Silver Proof set which they were selling at the time for £175 - was offered £70 for it! I laughed and walked away! Personally, I believe that some of the pricing in there is crazy - but some people obviously pay it or they wouldnt still be in business! I had a distinctly unpleasant experience trying to buy something from them what must have been 20 years ago now. Never been back... Only thing I have bought is the 2000 edition of their book...pricing almost right now.