Well gentleman, i appreciate all you expertise ... i dont appreciate the suggestion of 'me not being truthful' I will return and give you the details that you require... dont no when... but i will return ... i do thank you, especially you Chris for your comments. But be assured that this is the same coin ... i was scanned by a family member less than a month ago. I just have to wait and examine the rim too...just in case it is a forgery. In the words or Arnie ... i will be back. thanks again.