Sylvester

I collect a wide range of hammered but not in a great deal of depth, and yet very very little milled in a extremely narrow field, sixpences 1674-1787.

I can't remember what i paid for mine.

They float mine.

most probably an 84 in guessing. 1685s are not seen often.

Oh i'm sure i would have, nothing like an 1684 farthing. I used to have one.

I take it, it was tin?

And maybe tin halfpennies too. But i always peferred farthings to halfpennies, i think it's a size thing.

My alliegence is to tin. Tin is actually my favourite coin metal. One day i will have a collection of problem free VF tin farthings... wuhaha. Oh i can dream.

I feel like a foreigner when you guys get talking about copper and bronze...

I said we should have had one at Leicester, or Leeds (there used to be one at Leeds it's now at Wakefield). Now i personally don't like Leeds so Manchester would be an improvement there. Since Manchester is probably the third largest or so city in England you think it would have one? I think Birmingham has one, but i hate that place more than i hate Leeds so you won't get me going there.

I'm soo missing out on these coin fairs. I'm gonna punish myself an buy an Æthelred II penny for that. Oh but then there was that Eadred or that Coenwulf.

I couldn't see the connection on the coin, but then again i didn't look close enough perhaps?

i like the pound. I think the past thread left because the site rejected it...

Yes, feel free, the more the better.

No where near £83 in value. More like a fiver... Actually i couldn't put a value on it to be honest, it may, just may be an actual gold forgery, but it doesn't look it to me. Probably brass or gilt lead or something.

That's a good approach you suggest. I believe that these forgeries are contemporary, that is struck some time near the date on the coin. I doubt they are modern because a forgery that bad (i once heard a collector term it as "St. George and the Chicken" when i last found one on ebay), anyhow no serious collector would fall for that. Except Oli on this particular evening. In all fairness though Oli is not a sovereign collector and gold has not been his area. Whereas i used to collect sovereigns some time back before i sold them all, so naturally i've come across most of the 'modern' (1817-1932) gold coins from gold £5 coins down to the half sovereigns. And i've seen a few fakes like the one you picture being sold on ebay, i think yours is the third one i've come across. I saw one being sold as the real thing, it sold as far as i can tell, but you can bet some poor sod felt a bit of a fool after parting with however much they had done.

I dunno six foot is quite some way...

Why didn't you just look in your Coincraft/Spinks?

I've met the odd 1823 £2 coin in person in coin shops so i knew it definately wasn't one of those!

A real one looks like this... http://www.pandaamerica.com/upd_images/182...britain2lbs.jpg

Oh i've seen these before. Certainly forgeries, very crude ones too. The portrait is actually nothing like the real ones in any respect. Looks more like a Roman emperor than George IV! No idea what they are made of though. It'd be interesting to know. What i would do is cancel the aution and explain why, your honesty will gain you more credibility. State that you will offer to resell the coin but as a fake. Also explain how you asked for advice on a coin forum hence the cancellation. You'll find people will appreciate your honesty and they'll probably understand. I find if you sell coins clearly marked as fakes in the auction somewhere (contemporary counterfeit) you'd be surprised, if you were to try and pass them off as real though you'd get negged.

Sent.

Have you got a picture? It'd make identification alot easier and quicker.

Farthing list is done and ready for you... Please PM me with you email addy and i'll post you a copy to fill in at your leisure. Please stick Cromwell's on the beginning.

Wordpad (cos my word doesn't work), but it should be fine to open up in either. Microsoft word might leave a few things out of line. Cromwell is definately milled but strangely absent from the Coincraft list. I'm not adding Cromwell onto my lists until the end. So you can probably add it on yourself. I'll start the farthing lists now for you.