Rob

ARMITAGE, E F P Some Norman sold through Seaby, the remainder of the collection purchased by Spink c1960. White/Cream ticket, 3/4" diameter, writing on one side.

HUNT, P Philip Hunt collection of halfcrowns to 1700, part of collection purchased by Colin Adams in 2000 and subsequently sold in his sale at Spink in 2005.

BROOKER, J G Brooker's collection was purchased by Spink and dispersed between 1979 and 1984. The entry in Eaglen's BNJ article states the ticket size as either 32 or 48mm, but this is 38, so clearly other sizes exist. Distinctive handwriting in blue ink.

ADAMS, C Colin Adams had two sales - his pennies were sold at Spink in July 2003 and mostly had either blue or white tickets of the type on the left. The halfcrowns sold at Spink in December 2005 all had tickets of the type on the right with the collection name added. Diameter of tickets usually 30 or 31mm.

SLANEY Collection No scale to measure against, but I think about 29mm or the imperial equivalent. The reverse was blank. The collection was assembled in the period from the late 1930s to the early 1960s before being split between the two grandchildren. Both collections were sold at Spink, the first in 2003 and the second in 2015.

Hi Charles. That may be where you bought it, but the point of this thread was to assign a name to the writer of a ticket Thanks Eric. The colour is probably time dependant in that case. The white envelope came from a coin out of Lockett, but bought from Spink in July 1958 If possible can communications be made via the thread that Pete started in the Nothing to do with Coins forum. Try and keep this clean. Thanks.

Thanks Pete. However, an inauspicious start has been made. In the second post I corrected Mrs E M H NORWEB to NORWEB, Mrs E M H to put the surname first, and then forgot to save it. Doh. Must try harder.

NOTT, R A Token collection of approx 8000 pieces assembled from the 1930s onwards and sold to Mrs Norweb via Spink in 1960-1. His catalogues were profusely annotated with the contents of each bulk lot. The tickets were hand cut from paper and therefore of varying diameter.

MARSHALL COLLECTION Sold at Spink March 2004. Cream tickets, 48mm diameter. The ticket illustrated came with the Commonwealth halfpenny from the sale. The description on the other side clearly refers to a different coin, so the conclusion is that tickets were reused on occasion.

Mrs E M H NORWEB No tickets as all coins were kept in 2"x2" envelopes. The BNJ article says that they were either white of blue, but salmon pink was also used. It may be that colour coding applied to different types of coin as the pink one was a token and the white one a medieval hammered coin.

The underlying 1 looks a bit wider than the first 1 of the date, so die flaw has to be favoured over a planchet flaw.

The halfpenny is interesting as the reverse die is heavily flawed, presumably to the point of destruction. The illustration in Peck shows no sign of the flaw on this die. Also useful is the chronology you can establish regarding the various pairings. The obverse die is paired with the P2036 & 2037 reverses. Using my P2037 and now disposed of P2036, it is possible to say that the dotted edge P2037 came first because the F at 4 o'clock is intact, whereas on the Plain Edge P2036 it is partly filled as is the case on the museum example. The implication is that they changed dies before varying the collar used. Always good to learn something every day

I like these and have one or two representative examples.

Which is why my lifestyle is much simpler. I only have to worry whether the coin is attractive or ticks a Hobson's Choice box, and if it suitable for either the collection or for resale, is the price right. There is a huge sense of deja vu with these circular arguments. People seem to fall into one of three camps. 1. Those that blindly follow the TPG view. 2. Those that recognise the system has its shortcomings, but accept them for what they are, and 3. Those that recognise the system has its shortcomings and don't accept the TPG view has any validity.

Give me a PM with your details and I can sort out a copy tomorrow night when I am back from the Midland.

The problem with common dates is the mintage figures which require dozens of dies in some instances. Used for as long as possible, the end result will be either a totally blocked die or a fractured one. The finer the detail, the easier it is to fill. Couple that with an inevitable small amount of play in the die fixing mechanism and you will have rotational movement which will assist in packing crud into the finer parts of the design - hence you can block serifs with relative ease given the right circumstances.

Did you? I think it went for $2200 or $2400. Can't remember which.

A few more 1844 farthings

You will get small imperfections in any die which may possibly show up sufficient differences between examples to identify them as separate dies. Usually it is flaws or recut letters that give the best evidence. You will need to overlay them. They will be nominally the same dies, but the closer you look the more chance there is of seeing differences. I can see a difference without looking too hard despite your fuzzy image. The B at the start of the reverse legend appears to have a missing upper serif on your example. The same letter on mine has a serif, but as it is the earlier example based on the date, this doesn't mean it is a different die to yours, which could just be a case of die fill as could the missing lower pellet. A missing serif on an 1844 that was present on your 1845 would have to be different dies. Come on folks, bring out your 1844 farthings and help.

Maundy reverse - ok it's a 4d and the wrong date, but the design is the same. And a G6 currency reverse. Difficult not to spot the difference https://www.rpcoins.co.uk/products/george-v-1927-maundy-fourpence https://www.rpcoins.co.uk/products/00000905

If they were, they shouldn't have been. The currency 3d has a rose on the reverse

As Michael said - usually it is due to blocked dies on one or both of the colon dots, though a single pellet can't be entirely ruled out. What is needed is a number of coins struck from the same reverse die showing the gradual infilling of the lower colon dot. As the previous year is the rarest of the copper farthings, it should be relatively easy to pursue this line due to the small number of dies involved. Unfortunately, the 1844 I have in the trays for sale doesn't show any weakness in the bottom pellet, so isn't particularly helpful. I've attached an image of my 1844 if it helps as you can possibly overlay the two images once you have a clear picture of yours. It may or may not be the same reverse die. It isn't the best 1844 in the world, but is at least something to work with. Maybe others could add images of any they have to hand?

It doesn't help that AU58 doesn't usually translate to a gEF. You have to be in the 61-64 to have any chance of making good EF, and then (somewhat ironically) it isn't guaranteed. It's just one of those coins which gets overgraded on occasion and consequently will never get taken out of the slab. This phenomenon is a contributor to grade inflation as each overgraded coin bulks out the populations at whatever level.

Me too. I thought the LIMA crowns in the last sale were inferior to the one I have too, despite one being graded 80. Mine gets an unambiguous EF for the wear around the ear with brownie points for the toning. Reverse is better, but you can't call it unc with wear.

Certainly DH 44, but whether 44, 44a, 44b or 44c depends on the edge reading. Payable in Lancaster, London or Bristol; Payable at London or Dublin x x x; CURRANT EVERY WHERE (sic) or Halfpenny Payable at the Black Horse Tower Hill respectively. The second is common, o/w RR