Rob

Given the numbers of KH16 known, it is clear that the type was struck over an extended period. The scratches by the mouth are on the die as my example of P1234 (now sold) also had this feature. See below. In hand, it does not appear on my copper P1235 (see below), nor did it show on my gilt P1233 (now sold). The implication of this is that either it was on the die from the beginning and subsequently filled, or the die was improved at a later date when the scratch appeared. I agree that the lighting may be a factor here, as the ribbon looks weaker on your third image, as is the eyebrow detail and the lines by the eye. If all things were equal, that would imply a worn die, with the smaller jewels also in agreement, but I'm not sure things are equal. The state of the drapery flaw could give a clue as to where in the chronology each image fits. The third looks bigger than the first two, but again this could be lighting. The jewels on my 1235 are razor sharp. There are also two faint raised parallel lines on the die running from the ear lobe to the base of the throat profile. These not visible in any image, so can't comment regarding the other two.

In the world of numbers, ANYTHING is possible.

I know I don't normally advertise my website on here, but I am selling the David Beadell collection of English Shillings on behalf of a forum member, so all exposure is welcome. Link Comprising over 200 lots, it is essentially a date run of English shillings for the past 320 years with some date varieties together with some earlier pieces. There are also 4 lots of miscellaneous items including two pieces of Gunmoney. The grades vary from dire to as struck including some rarities, so if you collect shillings, there may be something to fill a gap, whatever the depth of your pockets.

Which is why I still reference the 5th edition numbers and in the case of anything from 1816 on, prefer to use Davies. It's making a good case for yet another revision, but this time not called ESC.

And it's fair to say that Bull's revision of ESC was not much of an upgrade. Missing items, items added that you would normally not include as a separate listing such as giving a prooflike specimen a different number, a provenance section at the back which doesn't match the ref. no. in the main body of the book. It basically wasn't proof read, or at least not after everything had been added. I list ESC references with the Bull number followed by ESC 5th edition numbers in brackets, as at least the only fiction in that edition was the rarity attribution. Davies is far better than Bull for varieties, with the caveat that it only covers 1816 onwards, and as you would expect is missing some later discoveries. Every reference volume has inclusions and exclusions relative to another book. You really need to buy the lot and sort out a proper list for yourself. It isn't that difficult because the vast majority of items are present in all and correctly catalogued. My personal view is that a concordance book would be a wonderful addition, but the chances of getting collectors to buy it are probably south of zero. It would also be gargantuan, as essentially you are trending towards an entry for every die ever produced, cross referenced to every book that has been printed on the subject.

Why, when I try to open a pdf document does mozilla open a minimum of 500 new tabs in rapid succession, but at no point show the document I am trying to download. The only way to stop it is to keep closing Mozilla until it gives up the ghost trying to open new tabs. I don't know the maximum number it opens before stopping of its own free will, but have noticed it seems to get a bit constipated after 500 new tabs (memory issue?). This is actually a serious inconvenience as I used to print off shipping labels for parcels shipped using a courier which were sent using pdf. Solution anybody, or even better an alternative that works. If it isn't possible to use pdfs any more so be it, then I will just have to move on and find something else. Thanks.

There will be more. Poo Tin's assertion that he can forgive most things except treachery bodes well for the future. If he could dispose of Prigozhin ( and Utkin) together with disbanding Wagner it will be doubles all round, given they have been Russia's most effective combatants. If Surovikin, who is apparently tied up in the plot, meets a messy end, it will be a bonus. Despite his reputation as a butcher, he did at least appear to be a competent military tactician by Russian standards. If Putin has a purge, it should further degrade Russia's ability to prosecute this war. I never thought I'd say it, but Go Putin. What are the odds on Russia imploding this year? I think Ukraine might have to issue another stamp soon.

According to Google I apparently have in excess of 4000 items on my site that are missing field image and so can't be searched. This is clearly not the case as the pictures come up every time of all the items I checked. Am I using the wrong image type (jpg) and should be using something else (png?)? I hope not because redoing 4000+ images is not going to happen - I guarantee I'll lose the will to live. But if I can sort this it might go some way to improving on the consistently small number of eyeballs I get for any items not on the recently added page. The home page items regularly appear in the first dozen listing for a search, but older items may be a few hundred places down the list, if at all. Interestingly, the search for a home page listed item may rank in the top few search places despite it having a missing field image. Confused. TIA

Rather more disconcerting is the selection of similar sponsored items with equally misplaced decimal poimts. For only a few pounds less you can get an MS64RB 1967 halfpenny, with an MS64RD a snip at half that. It's what happens when people collect opinions rather than contents. Anyone who goes down this route deserves everything they get because they're blind by choice to the bullshit. Absolutely no sympathy.

Or alternatively, say what you are looking for.

I've had 3 in the last 15 years

Has anybody got a spare copy of the hardback version available? Please PM if so. Ta.

Same could be said for Hungary and Czechoslovakia. Whatever, it wasn't an internal Russian suppression. Free thought is anathema to all dictatorships and to be suppressed at all cost. With good fortune, it's their nemesis.

The mindset of Russians beggars belief. One woman from Shebekino, upset at the recent border incursion that brought violence and destruction her town, bemoaned the fact that it was unfair. Apparently, 'All we wanted was to destroy Ukraine in peace'. Words fail me.

I bought one in a Bloomsbury sale (2005-7 but can't find the relevant catalogue at the moment). It was clearly a broken punch or filled die as there was a trace of the missing bar. I returned it not as described because it wasn't a genuine ONC as claimed.

This was discussed 10 or 15 years ago. Not only the 'circulation marks' match, but there are also small pits on the rim which are present in all cases. FYI the die axis is about 160 degrees and not 180. A couple more examples apart from the one Pete posted

If you collect patterns as well as currency then virtually all these will be rare, and additionally it is difficult not to be spoilt for choice when it comes to unique coins. e.g. 12 years ago when I wrote my article on the Weyl patterns, I did so because I appeared to have around 15% of the total corpus, all of which seemed to be unique. i.e. nobody else was likely to be in a position to do the research given the dispersal of the 40+ items in Glens in 1993. I've whittled it down to around 10 pieces now, all of which are unique, but none can claim to be the rarest per se. Same goes for the half a dozen unique Saxon or Norman in the collection. Close behind comes the list of 'only piece available' items, which are effectively unique, but strictly speaking, more common. I don't think it's a general reluctance to post, rather an impossible thing to assign. I'm not the only person collect patterns.

Yes

My son went to a gig in Manchester 2 weeks ago and presumably got it there (second case). He had all the same symptoms at the same intensity as a couple years ago, but these cleared up inside 3 days.

A quick back of the fag packet census gives approx. 4 dozen unique or only available examples, excluding striking errors which by definition are a one off. They nearly all tick specific boxes, so wouldn't be sold

Rarest will be anything unique, or the only piece available to collectors. As long as I am still accumulating, I could part with any of them as long as they are not a Hobson's Choice piece to tick a box. Further refinement could be the one which has appeared in the market least often if you had to make one rarer than the rest.

Elgin

26 graded bronzed pieces is quite possible, because the number extant will be nominally the same as the number struck. Maybe one or two have disappeared for whatever reason, but it's unlikely any will have circulated. You might be able to reduce that number on account of resubmissions that had previously been cracked out. A significant number of examples that cross the pond will get slabbed.

I'll buy 1826 copper proofs at a 15% discount to bronzed proofs all day long - that is assuming I can find one.

Is this not more likely to be a case of both being 8/7, but in the case of 7/8 they didn't punch the new digit deep enough? To use an example to support this theory, the 1817 GEOR/E shilling has the E in the highest relief, but it is inconceivable that someone said 'hey, this reads GEOR - better change it to an E'. Yes, the wrong digit can be entered, but recycling old dies is the more likely option. The only reason for calling it 7/8 would be to differentiate between the dies.