Rob

A picture of the actual coin would be of interest. See how close to the nearest millennium he is, then we can worry about the century. 3/1 its a wrl Elizabeth I?

If there was ever an odds on bet it is that political shocks arise because the ruling parties have left the electorate behind. If Brussels mandated a referendum on membership in each country I would be surprised to see at least one other leave. Sadly, I suspect that the only thing the EU will take from this is to ensure opinions are not sought through the ballot box as the results can be disruptive. Better not to involve the people.

Hopefully the US public will vote for the least bad option, but I wouldn't bet on it. One saving grace is that the Republican party are unlikely to unite behind him if he does win.

In that case I would like to acquire as many void notes as possible at a 90% discount to face and generate my own income for the cost of a ball-point pen. If am will to pay postage for delivering them to me.

The most comprehensive one is Spink's Coins of England. It includes a selection of varieties within types which other catalogues don't cover. e.g. Coin Yearbook starts with Roman, but the limitations are clear when it only gives a single price for say Henry I pennies when there are 15 classes for the reign and nearly an order of magnitude variation in prices within those 15. Spink also has its limitations, but is comprehensive enough to cater for anything other than specialist collectors of a particular area.

Happy birthday

Welcome back Debbie Not convinced about the love token description though.

Email received from no.1 son. Puts Yes, Minister to shame. From the Guardian I believe.... reposted on the FT So, let me get this straight... the leader of the opposition campaigned to stay but secretly wanted to leave, so his party held a non-binding vote to shame him into resigning so someone else could lead the campaign to ignore the result of the non-binding referendum which many people now think was just angry people trying to shame politicians into seeing they'd all done nothing to help them. Meanwhile, the man who campaigned to leave because he hoped losing would help him win the leadership of his party, accidentally won and ruined any chance of leading because the man who thought he couldn't lose, did - but resigned before actually doing the thing the vote had been about. The man who'd always thought he'd lead next, campaigned so badly that everyone thought he was lying when he said the economy would crash - and he was, but it did, but he's not resigned, but, like the man who lost and the man who won, also now can't become leader. Which means the woman who quietly campaigned to stay but always said she wanted to leave is likely to become leader instead. Which means she holds the same view as the leader of the opposition but for opposite reasons, but her party's view of this view is the opposite of the opposition's. And the opposition aren't yet opposing anything because the leader isn't listening to his party, who aren't listening to the country, who aren't listening to experts or possibly paying that much attention at all. However, none of their opponents actually want to be the one to do the thing that the vote was about, so there's not yet anything actually on the table to oppose anyway. And if no one ever does do the thing that most people asked them to do, it will be undemocratic and if any one ever does do it, it will be awful. Clear?

I would use that uplift wisely. The EU is not as robust as it would believe. What you can't control has the ability to destroy you and it is not in control of the destabilising mass immigration, nor does it have any desire to engage with any disaffected EU citizens and parties. Head in the sand attitudes usually result in a kick up the backside while you are bending over as this country's politicians found to their cost. On a lighter note, in Sunderland - from the BBC website.

Thanks chaps. A rather inauspicious start to the new reference having failed to make things clear on only the 3rd identification exercise. Must start collecting thrymsas with their somewhat simpler runic legends.

rock by the linear circle as ja, rock standing up to right of lighthouse as per k, rev m doesn't have either of these rocks showing in Gouby

Yes, but that makes the lighthouse wrong which is thinner than m and has distinctly separate rocks by the linear circle and standing proud to the RHS as per ja

Presumably this will come naturally to most people here, but what is the Gouby reverse for a narrow date 1876H? Reverse j says 1874 only, rev. m doesn't have the rock by the linear circle, nor the protruding one on the RHS. The trident is closer to the linear circle than the top of the P as for rev.k. The lighthouse looks like rev. ja, which is only for 1874,5,& 7, but Britannia's hair is in any case longer than for ja and more like j whilst the back of the helmet is more like ja as well. And one final question, who nicked rev. l? All this makes sense as a Freeman reverse K however. Ta.

Virtually nobody believes Germany would return to its military dominance, but it would be naive to suggest that they are not the strongest country economically and by extension the country with the largest responsibility to ensure stability within the EU. It needs to cast off its cloak of guilt and act as a true leader amongst equals. In Angela Merkel you've got the only true national Leader in the EU, and no, I don't believe for one minute that she is going to advocate invading Poland.

As ChKy said, politics is easy without people. After the Civil War we hadn't even got as far as Rotten Boroughs in terms of the electorate. Only declarations of war are sufficient to get politicians off their backsides without prevarication.

They said they were waiting for Cameron's successor to be chosen, which will happen in early September. A lot of balls in the air at the moment. As has been mentioned before, there is a chance of a second referendum, but it would have to be on somewhat different terms of reference to the one just passed because that ship has sailed. An EU style 'ask them again until you get the right answer' will not work and is only likely to harden resolve. All parties agree that a sensible compromise has to be reached in terms of our relationship going forward. You might hear the politicians playing hardball for their respective audiences, but economic reality will eventually give commerce a middle path. Ultimately all national politicians are on the receiving end of voter displeasure, even if the Commission is insulated from it, so if there is sufficient upheaval within a significant number of EU nations (which must include Germany as the de-facto leader of the EU), this would provide the stimulus for a change in Brussels. People in business and their markets don't like uncertainty, but will adapt to whatever situation is thrown up as has happened for millennia. As one businessman said to me before the referendum, we need to arrange currency cover going forward. Invoiced in dollars and holding pounds requires a hedge - we are traders, not speculators. And so the business was prepared for any fallout.

Yes. They were all used to fill empty boxes at the back of drawers. Circulation - not a chance.

Everyone who doesn't spend their life trawling eBay has periods when nothing is available. You can't buy what isn't there.

If it is as you say then the options are filled die or damaged. The latter will reduce value, the former not.

A truer word was never said and lies at the crux of our collective disagreement

Try herding cats. It's easier than leading the British people down a single route.

Yes, a true orator, but also the last to attempt building an empire through conquest which is why Europe will not wage war on itself, or at least the main central players responsible for the past 1000 years of conflict won't. Britain is leaving, not taking over the EU.

The danger is that a number of points raised will be lost in the desire to insult and ridicule from one side and ignore from the other because of the person speaking.

I for one would have voted to stay in the EU if it had remained the trading area we joined in the 1970s. Removal of trade barriers is a good thing, however, it has morphed into a vastly different animal to what most people in this country want. I think many countries in the EU badly underestimated the feelings in this country that the EU was changing its terms of reference and looking to forge a European superstate, just as this country failed to appreciate the desire for much of western Europe to concoct a political arrangement designed to ensure it would never suffer the ravages of the past 100 years. That is the essential difference between the two parties. My wife always refers to the way that Germans have been on a guilt trip for the past 70 years, but felt that the fall of the Berlin Wall was the start of a new era with positive overtones. I shared that optimism and wish the EU did so too without feeling the need to force the various nations together. That will eventually rebound as it is done without a popular mandate, even if the principle is tacitly accepted at present . On a personal level, I have long thought it inconceivable with modern communications and information exchange that people would feel the need for large countries to go to war on a recurring basis, people being considerably more educated, less expansionist minded and having considerably more liberal views than seen during the days of empires. Migration, mass travel by air and the exposure of populations to alternative cultures has largely made for vibrant communities embracing the different values. Despite the racism seen on occasions, this is not a reflection of general public opinion in this or other countries. It usually surfaces when there are economic pressures with unemployment being the usual trigger. A population engaged in gainful employment by and large doesn't have issues because they are too busy. There will always be some that don't fit this ideal, but they are fewer than the noisier opponents would imply. For a proxy, you can probably use the numbers that voted for the far right parties in the last general election with a partial allowance from UKIP, but certainly not all their voters. Both sides need to act in a measured and considerate way for the feeling of the other party because these issues didn't suddenly materialise from some 'big bang' event. We all have to live together in an overpopulated world, locally exacerbated by the fallout from the Middle East. It is the uncontrolled mass movement of populations that provided the backdrop for the leave vote in the east of the country, whereas there have been no recent elections in Europe to gauge voter feeling. This will happen. Religion, not national politics, is more likely to be the catalyst for future European unrest. However, I remain an optimist.

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