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High. Such is the cynicism of the public with regards to their elected representatives. Having said that, with the results being announced at local centres, there is no option to do this at a central level.

Be interesting to see what the EU does if we vote to remain. Leaving would be a blow to some egos in Brussels as it would be a measure of failure for their personal investment in the project, but I suspect that secretly some will be over the moon at the removal of perfidious Albion from the equation. Whichever way, there will be a lot of internal pressure from Head Office on the other 27 countries to bolster ties making it more difficult, if not impossible for others to leave. It's difficult not to feel that a lot of the problems with our membership could have been avoided if Brussels tried to involve the EU's citizens in decision making instead of imposing changes from on high. But that has never been considered an option given the dangers to the project of independent thought. Sad really.

What are the odds on a dead heat?

OK, so run by those paragons of objective reporting, the Barclays. Is there nothing out there apart from the FT worth reading?

Remind me. I see Feb 1970 in the other thread. Is that it?

You're on dangerous ground listening to or quoting the Mail. Murdoch doesn't have a monopoly on crap media and reporting. Competition is alive and well on that front.

Nordle took the lot. Having said that, I was asked if I wanted some at the last Midland and they are going to be picked up at Wakefield this weekend. Don't know what's in the pile though. All, some, or none should cover it.

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Yes please if there is no time limit on them. Unlikely to be any bids from me until pictures are resolved. I'm not holding my breath as it has taken 8 years for the penny not to drop so far. Dare I say it, you could fast track it by referring the question to the EU commission.

I don't think her death will sway more than the odd one or two people. Sympathy yes, but the result of the actions of a nutter, the like of which are relatively few and far between. I think most folks have taken on board the fact that this is an issue which transcends any feelings one may have for the various 'leaders'. To quote the late Robin Day - 'You're just a here today, gone tomorrow politician'. All of them will be liable to deselection by the electorate (thankfully), but the country will have to move on regardless of the outcome.

I wouldn't expect it to go for 60 as I paid over 200 for mine 12 years ago. The point in question is the pictures, the size of which make attibution well nigh impossible. You can add identifying forgeries to the list of difficulties.

The problem is the pictures which simply aren't good enough. I would possiby be interested in pursuing two of the four listed above, but there is a problem. I don't need a P1365, but I do need a P1368 and P1369, one of which uses the same obv die and the other a similar die, but you couldn't work out the Peck number from the images. Now £60 isn't going to break the bank as a punt, but I don't particularly want a P1365 with spots. I might tolerate them for a variety I need however, and I don't have confidence in the ability of the TPGs to assign the right Peck number - hence the desire to see enough to assign a variety. These are things a specialist in any field will always want to check. Secondly, the Ottawa sovereign is rare and is a box I need to tick, but looks cleaned and certainly doesn't look to have original surfaces. There is no mention in the description, and the images don't help that much. You need to know the coin is not cleaned, plugged, tooled, or whatever. The images don't allow the prospective buyer to do their basic spadework.

Welcome to the forum. If you are in West Yorkshire, go to the Wakefield coin fair at the Cedar Court hotel off junction 39 on the last Sunday of each month (except December). Next one is this coming weekend and it starts at 9:30. That will allow you to look through the trays at leisure without being forced to buy anything. If you do decide to go, I'm the large hairy object in the centre aisle facing the entrance, so come and introduce yourself. If you are just starting out, I wouldn't bother trying to specialise too early. It means you will pass by a lot of things that you find attractive, and with specialisation comes the ludicrously expensive piece or two that you will need to complete. Far better you start by acquiring a range of cheaper things before diving in too deep. You will change direction somewhere along the line.

It's easy to see how the sets get broken up. There was a 1958 Cu-Ni set in the Circular Dec. 2003 which Colin Adams bought for the halfcrown. I took the two shillings and the sixpence at the same time, whilst the florin probably went in Spink's March 2005 sale (I'd have to check) when he sold his duplicates prior to his halfcrown sale.

Come on copper, you know how to spell it. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/10812-farthing-specialist-envelope/#comment-141758 refers

The envelope appears to have EX COLLECTION at the top. Does anyone know if this refers to his own collection or have I misread it? Ta.

If we hadn't lost the ability to understand the value of money then coins and notes would have meaningful value, but we lost that once we embarked on a system of credit whereby we created money that wasn't backed by a physical asset. A consequence of this inflated money supply is, or should be that all governments recognise their physical money is essentially worthless or at best an unquantifiable decreasing %age of the total 'value' of the economy. It doesn't really matter whether the issue is coins or notes, all are comprehensively dwarfed by credit which is illusory money but the basis on which most wealth is measured, and something that can be generated at will. That's why so much effort is put into finding secure assets as a means of protecting wealth. You don't want cash however, this being a sub-section of the total wealth as measured in the same units, but which has no means of appreciating to be a fixed %age of the total wealth. Non cash assets can always be divided up according to the agreed total wealth of the nations. That is why asset values have outstripped the official rate of inflation. QE money had to go somewhere.

A VF currency 1838 or 1848 2d only books at a tenner. The 1848 might be a bit difficult, but the 1838 pops up quite often.

Buy underwear futures. There are huge export opportunities opening up in the Brussels area. Cameron and Osborne are hitting the afterburners trying to instill fear, but everyone is switched off as it doesn't form part of a coherent argument

So presumably either a blank intended for a foreign issue which somehow got into the 2p blank bin, or a sheet of thinner material was used by mistake. If the first it will be rarer than if the second, as this would mean as many produced as there were blanks from the sheet. I don't believe for one minute that someone is counterfeiting 2p pieces.

Not at all. The population is well documented, so it would clearly be the same coin either in or out of a slab.

I wonder how it was formed. Looks like a double cut letter, but the dies would have been cut using a reducing machine and not entered by hand, so either there was some slippage in the mechanism, or the original design was badly formed? Thoughts?

Any signs of acid attack as all the four datal figures look to be slightly thinner? Are the letters of the legend also a little thinner. If so, that plus elimination of the very low relief might indicate a chemical reason.

Yes, but Mike is no longer there, so it may not have been Phil's fault. As a way forward, how many examples do we definitely have now and how much have the ones you know about sold for? Maybe we can list them all in a separate thread in the confirmed unlisted section. It means I can give a separate entry (presumably S3554A) with a suitable price for fine, and possibly VF by extrapolation