Rob

This is absolute rubbish. I've had to wait 40 years to be able to voice an opinion that mattered concerning membership of the EU. I was 17 when the last referendum took place. Anyone under 59 has had the same wait. Those older than this have seen the EU develop and many are unhappy at what they see. The relentless assumption of the right of the EU to determine the minutiae of people's lives without any democratic accountability at any point. I voted to leave because the EU is dysfunctional and profoundly undemocratic. Any group of countries that organise a trading area with simplified rules, yet manages to surreptitiously convert itself into a social and political experiment where the aim is to merge half a billion people into a single entity ruled by an unelected person or persons HAS to be brought under control eventually. The one time they asked some of the potential electorate (the Lisbon Treaty), and I use potential because the right to vote was not a given, two countries had the temerity to vote the treaty down. With that unacceptable (to the EU commission) decision went the last time the European on the street would be consulted on what happened in the EU. As we know, once the correct answer had been given, the project moved on. It forced through the Euro project, which is a case of putting the cart before the horse. Political union can be followed by monetary union, or an exchange rate mechanism linking various currencies, but to tie the individual countries to a fixed rated without converged economies (and controlled so they remain that way) is never going to work. The EU has become its own worst enemy given the lack of accountability. Immigration has always and will always occur between nations. I won't be alone on this forum in having been offered positions in other countries when working abroad. It happens on a regular basis in just about every walk of life. People do care about uncontrolled immigration however, just as I would have had to pass suitability tests to prove that the job I was doing was specific to me in any country I chose to move to. That doesn't make people racist or intolerant, rather just on top of the situation. Sanctuary and the right to live here has been freely offered to many people in the past, and there is no reason to assume that mindset would change. The current problem is notr that people are migrating per se, rather that they are doing so in uncontrolled numbers and at a speed faster than they can be comfortably processed. As someone who can reasonably expect to live at least another 10 or 20 years, to suggest that this is a load of fossils creating piles of crap for the younger generations is way out. I forecast that after a few decades, the previously young members of the EU will accumulate sufficient experience of the EU to arrive at a similar position to the old gits of today. As for Boris and Trump running the UK and US respectively, I was not aware that either had been elected yet. Thank you for the belated info.

Sorry ChKy, I've already had a much better offer (again). After a 6 month hiatus interspersed with only 5 offers, the Indian idiot has resumed his daily diatribe. first i want to tell you that you want to deposit advance cash of 80,00,000/- pounds in my account. bucause of this is our first deal and i want do it correctly. and then we sign document about the deal. i have maharaja bhagavat sinhji clocks orrlions company of madras (1860) worth 10,00,000/- pounds. all the photos added if you charged commission you want deposit all the amount( 80,00,000/- pounds this is request to you that i want this value ( 80,00,000/-) . i give minimum 2000 ancient coins if you are not satified with this. i give you more 8000 ancient coins to you. but i want this value. first you want to cash deposit 80,00,000/- pounds in my account. res. sir, herewith i know you that i have lots of ancient coin to sell. like 50,000/- ancient coins, but i want to sell 2000 ancient coin in 80,00,000/- pounds advance cash deposit in my account before deal document signed by us. from myside no cheat, no fraud, just honest deals from me. because i want to go far with you and this business. i have lots of ancient items to sell. i have potential to give you profitable items. if you are interested please call me of email me. 00918469466030. chintan tank, near new haveli, jamnavad road, LAXMI KLYAN, NEAR SANGATH APP. DHORAJI:- 360 410, RAJKOT, GUJRAT, INDIA. details of coins 1. rs.1 coins :- 39 pecies 2. rs.50 paisa :- 38 pecies 3. rs.25 paisa :- 60 pecies 4. rs. 20 paisa :- 7 pecies 5. rs. 10 paisa :- 879 pecies 6. rs. 5 paisa :- 801 pecies 7. rs. 3 paisa :- 1 pecies 8. rs. 2 paisa :- 9 paisa 9. rs. 1 paisa :- 2 pecies 10 rs. 1/2 paisa :- 1 pecies 11. victoria coin :- 10 coins 12. maharaja pragmalji maharaj :- 1 pecies 13. princely coin :- 1pecies 14. silver coin of victoriya :- 2 pecies TERMS AND CONDITION OF DEAL 1. WE DEAL VIA BANK WIRE AND INTERNATIONAL TRANSPORT 2. YOU MUST WANT TO DEPOSIT ADVANCE CASH IN MY ACCOUNT(50% OF MAIN AMOUNT 80,00,000/- POUNDS) 3. I GIVE YOU 2000 ANCIENT COINS IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFY OF ITS PROFIT I GIVE MORE COINS AND GIVE YOU PROFITABLE BUSINESS.

As someone who has spent most of his life taking an anti-EU stance, his support for remain gave him an unpalatable choice. He could have stayed true to his principles.

I would be quite happy to see a Swiss style constitution, though the few Swiss nationals I know say it's a right pain having so many votes. Very interesting times.

In our house we had 2 kids vote for out and 2 for remain. I was out and the wife wasn't eligible. So essentially a broad reflection of the national vote. Everybody thought we would vote to remain in. The split within England will heal quickly IMO as the issue was not along party lines. Scotland is an unknown, as although there are calls for a second referendum, there is no forward vision of the EU they might vote to rejoin. I think it is quite possible that another country will vote to leave before they could apply as an independent country. If the EU had remained a trading area instead of a socio-political experiment carried out with no mandate, the result would likely have been different.

It was the lies peddled by both sides that made people sit back and form their own opinion of the EU. A campaign of fear doesn't work. Negative campaigning has been shown time and again not to work. Elections are won by giving hope - something that Remain could not be accused of offering. However right or wrong the Leave message, it did offer hope to those who felt ignored by Westminster. The hard work starts as of today

I wonder if this is the first time the politicians have actually done a survey of public opinion on this matter. The overwhelming response of those interviewed seems to be one of complete surprise. They actually had no feel for what the voters thought.

Quote of the night I believe belongs to Ed Miliband. 'There are a lot of issues that have been around for a very long time'............precisely Mr M. So long in fact that you could have done something about them too. Isn't it a bugger for politicians when you don't have a predetermined outcome.

Not the Euros, but football related. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36605999/swedish-footballer-sent-off-for-farting-on-the-pitch

That's the trouble with politics. It always degenerates into a mud slinging match instead of addressing the issues at hand. If you wanted to get Parliament functioning as it was intended, i.e. dealing with the nation's issues and controlling the country, you could do it on a shoestring. There's not more than a few dozen MPs that are fit for purpose. All the outspoken ones that refuse to toe the party line can have a job, as that's the only way to get original thinking.

I'd second the question re the vendor. That obverse looks awfully suspect with the pitting. The whole thing looks too clunky to me. I don't have an example to compare, but if you look at your copy of Spink, you will see that the inner circles of all illustrated types are made up of much smaller pellets and a lot more of them. https://www.dnw.co.uk/auction-archive/catalogue-archive/lot.php?department=Coins&lot_id=269385 The above is a different type, but shows the fineness of detail employed, as does my Cnut. Again, the legend is much finer as is the beading

The centre of the rose doesn't look sharp enough for unc, though that might be the scan. That's always the first point to wear. Bagmarks are an occupational hazard, so as usual, patience is a virtue.

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High. Such is the cynicism of the public with regards to their elected representatives. Having said that, with the results being announced at local centres, there is no option to do this at a central level.

Be interesting to see what the EU does if we vote to remain. Leaving would be a blow to some egos in Brussels as it would be a measure of failure for their personal investment in the project, but I suspect that secretly some will be over the moon at the removal of perfidious Albion from the equation. Whichever way, there will be a lot of internal pressure from Head Office on the other 27 countries to bolster ties making it more difficult, if not impossible for others to leave. It's difficult not to feel that a lot of the problems with our membership could have been avoided if Brussels tried to involve the EU's citizens in decision making instead of imposing changes from on high. But that has never been considered an option given the dangers to the project of independent thought. Sad really.

What are the odds on a dead heat?

OK, so run by those paragons of objective reporting, the Barclays. Is there nothing out there apart from the FT worth reading?

Remind me. I see Feb 1970 in the other thread. Is that it?

You're on dangerous ground listening to or quoting the Mail. Murdoch doesn't have a monopoly on crap media and reporting. Competition is alive and well on that front.

Nordle took the lot. Having said that, I was asked if I wanted some at the last Midland and they are going to be picked up at Wakefield this weekend. Don't know what's in the pile though. All, some, or none should cover it.

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Yes please if there is no time limit on them. Unlikely to be any bids from me until pictures are resolved. I'm not holding my breath as it has taken 8 years for the penny not to drop so far. Dare I say it, you could fast track it by referring the question to the EU commission.

I don't think her death will sway more than the odd one or two people. Sympathy yes, but the result of the actions of a nutter, the like of which are relatively few and far between. I think most folks have taken on board the fact that this is an issue which transcends any feelings one may have for the various 'leaders'. To quote the late Robin Day - 'You're just a here today, gone tomorrow politician'. All of them will be liable to deselection by the electorate (thankfully), but the country will have to move on regardless of the outcome.

I wouldn't expect it to go for 60 as I paid over 200 for mine 12 years ago. The point in question is the pictures, the size of which make attibution well nigh impossible. You can add identifying forgeries to the list of difficulties.

The problem is the pictures which simply aren't good enough. I would possiby be interested in pursuing two of the four listed above, but there is a problem. I don't need a P1365, but I do need a P1368 and P1369, one of which uses the same obv die and the other a similar die, but you couldn't work out the Peck number from the images. Now £60 isn't going to break the bank as a punt, but I don't particularly want a P1365 with spots. I might tolerate them for a variety I need however, and I don't have confidence in the ability of the TPGs to assign the right Peck number - hence the desire to see enough to assign a variety. These are things a specialist in any field will always want to check. Secondly, the Ottawa sovereign is rare and is a box I need to tick, but looks cleaned and certainly doesn't look to have original surfaces. There is no mention in the description, and the images don't help that much. You need to know the coin is not cleaned, plugged, tooled, or whatever. The images don't allow the prospective buyer to do their basic spadework.