Rob

This coin amply demonstrates the difficulty of finding quality W3 coppers. P700 reading GVLIEEMVS. The 1700 halfpenny that went through Spink just before Christmas was truly exceptional.

No, that was the people standing on the street corners in this country selling Socialist Worker newspapers and the like, or the NF holding rallies against immigrants. One of the beauties of political activists is their natural adoption of a position of intolerance for anything off message. That's why the left and right wings make such natural bedfellows. They need each other. To tolerate the other side or give room to anyone offering a contrary position to debate would risk neutering their message. Old habits die hard. A few months ago I saw someone standing outside a mill selling some political rag. He looked exactly the same as he did in the late 70s. In fact, to bring the thread back on topic, it is no different to those in Brussels telling politicians after a referendum question that inconveniently gave the 'wrong' result to go back to their country and keep asking the same question until they get the answer that is needed to keep the project on the move. They are no better as an example of democracy. They are able to hold the people of Europe in contempt because they are accountable to nobody. If political problems could be resolved by rationable debate we would all be better off.

I don't think many people are arguing for being totally isolationist - labour migration has always taken place. It is the control of borders that needs to be implemented. Nor indeed would trade suddenly grind to a halt if the Eu ceased to exist. During the Cold War I went behind the Iron Curtain on business. During the apartheid era I went to South Africa. The political structures of the countries was immaterial to whether we could trade or not. Goods and services were offered and paid for and everyone was happy except for the political activists. Trade with the EU would be no different. On the question of EU laws, the past couple of decades has also shown that over legislation is alive and well in this country. In the Blair/Brown years, if there wasn't a law they would make one on principle. Thanks to them you can't even fart these days without being Gas Safe registered. Yes, regulation does come out of Brussels and yes it affects everyone, but no one is reasonably saying that the burden is overwhelming. Stupid legistlation - yes, but not overwhelming. Aside from setting rules to allow free trade, there is little or nothing that the EU does which is beneficial to its citizens. You don't have to form a cozy club to be friends. If we did leave the EU,presumably the French would organise blockades at Calais - the bad news for them is that we already suffer that. If they have a grievance with anything in Europe, they blockade Calais. B****r the rule book, they act in a way that is traditionally French, i.e. stick two fingers up. We are accused of being selective in Europe. We are not the only ones. There are 27 in the queue behind us. As Jaggy intimated at the top of the thread, the EU is the wrong structure for what it wants to do. It is however, incapable of change because of entrenched vested interests.

Yes, it is like looking through a goldfish bowl. ................. sorry, I'll get my coat

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You don't realise how many disappear if you only keep one example of each Freeman obverse and reverse for example. It's quite easy to lose 80 or 90% of a date run. Bronze halfpennies now only require 60-70 pieces or so. G3 patterns are down to a similar level, Victoria patterns are fewer, pre-1860 is quite simple too. After that it's just little hammered pieces which realistically are only a trayful.

Yes, it's Norweb's

I have got rid of most of them and have only kept a basic core of a couple hundred pieces covering all possible designs, rulers etc

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Judging by the reporting of the primaries, it is everything to do with personalities. A bit short on substance IMO.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/wilts/vol6/pp51-53 You get the relocation of three moneyers from Wilton to Salisbury in 1003, Godwine, Goldus and Saewine. Salisbury is only recorded for Ethelred's last two types, Wilton for everything except his last two. When the mint reopened, the moneyers stayed at Salisbury. In July 1180, Winchester burnt down as a result of a major fire. The mint moved to Wilton which reopened temporarily, so you get dies of Winchester with the last letter of the mint signature overcut with an L, i.e WIN becomes WIL. e.g a short cross 1b die of the moneyer Rodbert exists in this form. It didn't close immediately following repairs to Winchester, but only produced coins of types 1a & 1b from the above moneyer and another called Osber

What's the unrecorded bit? I can't see anything different to normal?

I don't think there is over and above the odd short article on a new type for the mint, or reference to the relocation to Salisbury when Wilton was sacked in 1003, or the temporary re-opening of Wilton following the fire at Winchester in 1180.