Rob

So all the penny people have done their homework and decided it isn't worth bidding on. It is no different to seeing an optimistically priced piece of tat on ebay and disregarding that too. Maybe someone wants an example. Paying £24 over the odds is not excessive if it gets you what you want. I've certainly paid 10x that amount over the odds to get a coin I badly wanted, and fully accept the consequences of potentially not making a profit when sold. I have also paid under the odds, similarly without any guarantee of getting my money back. Is it bad for the hobby? I doubt it, because the completely uneducated (numismatically speaking) person who wants to pick up 99p pennies is probably sourcing them from eBay and very unlikely to be buying at a regular auction. It should also be borne in mind that they are quite likely paying over the odds on eBay too.

If your name is R Andrew Scott and you live in Henley, then presumably we already have the answer. Linkedin also has an M Andrew Scott, educated at Henley Management College, graduated in 2010, so unlikely.

Probably find that ebay couldn't cope with dogging being the caravan section as opposed to the pets category.

Wonderful

Prices in Spink are a reasonable guide for these. Forget things like Coin Yearbook and similar as it gives two prices for a James I shilling - one for Fine and one for VF, that despite there being 6 issues and nearly 20 marks used, not to mention overmarks. Both look to be decent examples. The James 6th bust tends to look quite good in any grade if fully struck up and not flat in parts.

They could be anybody. The best lead would be to google any name that is clear. e.g. there are pennies advertising Pear's Soap, which is an obvious one. Does one say HURGON & LONDON? Are the other two hallmarks, or jeweller identifying marks? That would give you a start, but there are so many privately countermarked pieces, not all of which have a meaning, that makes identifying the marks a bit problematic.

Another interesting observation is that the 5 coins listed above - Speedbird's, Mine, Michael's, Joe's and the LCA coin are all from different reverse dies. That's a lot of dies with the error. Probably more than you would expect given the stop is obviously supposed to be there, even allowing for the appalling quality control at the time.

With a little smelting it might be possible to restore it by - converting to a bronze ingot, which could then be rolled, annealed, cut to make a blank and the detail repunched using the RM's dies from the museum. There is an easier way..................

No, I wouldn't think so. The reverse stops seem to be reasonably consistent in their position, unlike the obverse stops. This is probably due to there always being sufficient space after the final A to position it level at approximately halfway up the letters. There is some slight lateral variation, but nothing excessive. The obverses on the other hand are very busy with a lot of letters to cram into the available space. As a consequence you see wildly displaced stops after both GVLIELMVS & TERTIVS in an attempt to fit the stop in the remaining space. The OP is a good example of this. You also see an unambiguous no stop after TERTIVS because the S is touching the truncation, or even missing letters in the case of the TERTIV obverse die.

I'm not convinced there isn't a trace of a stop below the final A at a distance the width of the final A viewed as a crossbar, half way along the A horizontally. It looks like a circular mark there rather than a ragged flaw/corrosion spot.

Didn't have one, nor had I seen one before Nicholson. I actually bought it out of London Coins sale 122 in 2008, lot 2237 part Seriously Rob if I saw it tomorrow for sale I would buy it green spots or not as I do not have one either. Er. are we still discussing my coin? I,am getting a bit lost, cannot see much in the way of verdigris on my coin just a bit of gunge. No. It looks like things have drifted a little, as is often the case. Yours looks like one of 3 to date. Sorry Rob. I am obviously having an extreme senior moment, what do you mean by one of three to date? Yours, mine and Michael-Roo's (see image higher up this thread)

Didn't have one, nor had I seen one before Nicholson. I actually bought it out of London Coins sale 122 in 2008, lot 2237 part Seriously Rob if I saw it tomorrow for sale I would buy it green spots or not as I do not have one either. Er. are we still discussing my coin? I,am getting a bit lost, cannot see much in the way of verdigris on my coin just a bit of gunge. No. It looks like things have drifted a little, as is often the case. Yours looks like one of 3 to date.

Didn't have one, nor had I seen one before Nicholson. I actually bought it out of London Coins sale 122 in 2008, lot 2237 part

That's mine

Quite possible. I have one from a different reverse die with no perceptible stop

If it is that difficult to see then you would have just as much difficulty persuading someone else that it is what you say it is.

A but £48 incl the juice, so now only 17x the purchase price rather than over 21x.

EOFERWIC (York)

India has spent the last few years trying to reduce its deficit in part by restricting the sale of gold. Offering new products would be contrary to that policy. Obviously if it was for export only then it would not apply, but most Indians just can't get enough of the stuff.

I concur. No reason to suggest that it is iffy.

Yes, but it does provide an error for the variety afficonado (sic) - oops, there's another to add to the list.

The mule wasn't illustrated,so can't say if it was the same piece

The jury is out on these. A few sales ago, London Coins had a penny in high grade, but the H or KN? (can't remember, but probably KN as I wouldn't have looked at it otherwise) was extremely soft and indistinct, whereas the letter(s) are usually sharp. I wasn't sure what to make of it. Filled die where the filler had partially fallen out on the die, or letters added post-mint?

There is plenty of evidence for both methods if you look around. Mint products look in the main to be filled.

It;s damage, so worth less than it would be without, but more than melt looking at the detail remaining.