Rob

How much do you want?

Casts are invariably thicker because the metal has to be poured into a mould whereas a coin struck from sheet silver is actually quite thin, because the integrity of the metal means it follows the relief of the dies. You often see a line which shows the join around the edge because often casts are made in two parts.

Could be a coin weight given the shape, or just a weight for scales

That isn't right.

I also feel I have nothing to add to most threads, The underlying die doesn't have to be a shilling

In that case it's genuinely wrong, which I suspected as the surfaces look cast. The weight should be 1.4 to 1.5g approx. The weight will vary, but not by a lot. e.g. the one below weighs 1.45g.

Ah, the transatlantic invasion of words that invariably seem to be a little 'wrong' - such as ebay's or amazon's use of 'buyer/seller experience'. Globalisation has created many such incongrueties of which my favourite is probably the Mitsubishi Starion. Given the other two models were the Colt and Lancer, this had to be a misprunt based on a Japanese person interpreting a fellow countryman.

The look suggests to me it might be a copy despite being battered. What's the weight? Clive will be up to date with all the copies of PAXS pennies. If a copy, then south of the couple pounds it costs to get one in a museum shop, if genuine a couple hundred at most because the mint isn't legible. The surfaces don't look good.

No idea, but using phrases like that are presumably Chinese?

It's just part of life's general trend. Given there are few easy options that haven't been tried, the only way to stand out is to become ever more eccentric or outlandish. As someone who grew up in an era when a pub crawl involving 15 different breweries' ales meant visiting 15 different establishments, the concept of having 15 variations of the same basic cider on the same shelf seems a bit strange and smacks of the marketing man trying to override the pleasures of trying different companies' products. As cider must have a legal definition, presumably these are just flavoured concoctions? Rhetorical question, but what was wrong with dry, medium or sweet?

Empty barrel.

Probably because the question of reused dies has been addressed here before? Adding a reply along similar lines is akin to a typical academic paper where previously published facts are repackaged and then regurgitated, all from the need to publish a paper in your own name. It is very difficult to continually put a new slant on a topic, and as for adding new material every time then forget it. This is a recurring problem for me at places such as our coin club because I struggle to find sufficient new material to talk about that can't be found elsewhere. There is no way I can do a talk more frequently than every other year without repeating myself - which would bore people. Anyway, to address the question. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that diestock was reused time and again, with perhaps the most obvious example being the Exeter shilling that went through DNW a few years ago which had 2 nearly full reverse designs visible. There is no practical reason why a die would need to be melted after use as it is not a precision piece of engineering, being just a length of bar with a design engraved on the end. Of greater interest would be the identity of the underlying die. A reversed N should be quite easy to find when it comes to narrowing down the die options.

Splendid, another subsidiary living under the corporate iFault banner.

First look I thought it was more a case of copper farthing - no copper. Maybe they are pretend stops?

Copulative omega Thanks for that. Now I can sleep happy !!! Moneyer mark perhaps ? The copulative was issue dependant some have omega and some a bar. The moneyer mark was his name

I could sell you a 1971 set, but I guess you don't want to know that - and a Trinidad and Tobago, and a Bahamas..

Copulative omega

Done that, but it doesn't seem to make any difference. I also flagged the daily crap from Photof****t as spam, but that doesn't seem to do anything either. It comes from the 1&1 who host my site, so probably can't do much about it. I have no idea how to block individual addresses.

This email, or variations thereof, has been a pain for several months now. Arrives without delay every morning at 9am. Still, makes a change from that nice Nigerian fellow. I suspect the other 3 or 4 dozen recipients are also p'd off. res.sir, sir i want a contract from your side. i give you a bulk business. i have royal ancient coins to sale. but first this 1837 ancient coins deals. ancient items to sale only not auctioned it. herewith i know you that there is lots of ancient items i have to sale. so i insist to come here because i am not capable to come there. my financial condition is not good. 1. 1 rupee coin --- 39 coins 2. 50 paisa coin--- 38 coins 3. 25 paisa coin--- 60 coins 4. 20 paisa coin--- 7 coins 5. 10 paisa coin--- 879 coins 6. 5 paisa coin ---- 801 coins 7. 3 paisa coin --- 1 coins 8. 2 paisa coin ----9 coins 9. 1 paisa coin ---- 2 coins 10. half coin ----- 1 coin 11. rare coin ----20 coins 12. ancient items-- 5 items ( 80,00,000/- pounds 13. gold coin, silver coin, clocks, locks worth 100,00,000/- 14. golden horse cart worth 100,00,00,000/- pounds thank you chintan tank 00919824984379 Email address supplied should any bot pick it up and return the favour is chintantank111@gmail.com

So you have two happy people - if only it was like that all the time. Some people don't worry about marks, others don't care if a coin has been cleaned, some are paranoid that their coin might have been handled in the past, some are...... you name it, someone will be exercised at the thought. None of us can stand up and categorically state that buying a coin was wrong if the two directly interested parties are happy with the deal. Very true Rob, just surprises me at times! Me too, but it isn't my money.

So you have two happy people - if only it was like that all the time. Some people don't worry about marks, others don't care if a coin has been cleaned, some are paranoid that their coin might have been handled in the past, some are...... you name it, someone will be exercised at the thought. None of us can stand up and categorically state that buying a coin was wrong if the two directly interested parties are happy with the deal.

looks good to me.

We have already communicated. Needless to say there is a divergence of opinions, but hey, that's why these things are so fascinating and the subject of much discussion. I suspect it will be a bit of downer if we ever resolve the issues.

I must be repeating myself too often.

To which can be added, that with letter rate postage which appears to be the maximum that buyers want to pay, it doesn't allow for any protection to be used if you want to keep within the 5mm thickness limit. So small parcel rates (which if signed for to protect your own backside), push the price up to about £2. Add on the VAT if you are registered and that is £2.40. Add on ebay and paypoo fees takes a £1 coin to £4+ for a coin that may or may not be worth a quid assuming you want to realise a return. It does beg the question 'why bother?', but the answer is of course, because you can get free listings and every so often people buy. The only winners are eBay. Royal Mail have also shot themselves in the foot with the 1" limit for large letters.