Rob

I think all the noise being made on this topic misses the point. Leaving aside the question of whether the Greeks cooked the books to ensure they were admitted, once they were in they were on the same treadmill as all the other constituent nations. The root cause is trying to fit the variously efficient economies of Europe into a one size fits all exchange rate. The Euro is overvalued for the Greek economy and undervalued for the German one. Without full political union to accompany the monetary one, there is only the slightest chance that it can end other than in tears. If Greece, or any other country wants to be part of the Euro on a sustainable basis then they must either forego their sovereign independence and become part of a political settlement that determines everything is controlled from the centre so that you have common taxation and other regulations across the community, or they must ensure that their economy adjusts to the average for the EU. If they don't want to become like the average Eurozone economy then they have to consider leaving the Euro to enable them to set their own interest rates with their own currency. It's their choice, but there is no reason why the other Eurozone countries should be accommodating a country that wants the free lunch of no reform and unlimited funding. Given the likelihood that the Greek debt will never be repaid and there is no appetite for reform, it would be an abrogation of responsibility for people to lend further amounts to a government that is taking you for a ride with no intention of future loans being repaid either. When in a hole, it is best to stop digging. Creditor nations also have responsibilities to their own taxpayers which is something that spendthrifts are anxious to forget. Living beyond your means is a problem that's closer to home than Greece, but at the moment we are able to keep the balls in the air because we have control of our own currency. However, people are advised not to be too complacent.

He's changed his phone number Now it is +918469466030

Doing well I see. HB.

Why? That's what we are here for.

Ok, I'm happy to stand corrected, so do we have a die link for it?

There are a lot of modern copies, for example, the William I PAXS penny posted a few minutes before your thread. If it looks odd, it probably is. Whilst somebody could possibly unearth a rarity, eastern europe (or ebay) and a potentially valuable type are usually accompanied by a large red flag. A lot of Roman copies emanate from eastern europe, so a Viking copy doesn't require a great leap of faith.

To expand, it appears that the coin attempts to imitate an Ethelred II long cross penny, but the legends are completely wrong. An example of a long cross penny is below. Maybe there is a Viking imitation of this issue, but those are also round. Weight?

Best bet is ebay which has 2500 listings in the bulk lots section. I've about 40kg here which I am gradually sorting through, but unsorted means a lot of different things to people. If you want unsorted in the hope of finding something valuable then it will be difficult to find this as most accumulations will have had at least a cursory look, but unsorted in terms of things that people aren't interested in might offer more potential. What countries are you looking for?

How much do you want?

Casts are invariably thicker because the metal has to be poured into a mould whereas a coin struck from sheet silver is actually quite thin, because the integrity of the metal means it follows the relief of the dies. You often see a line which shows the join around the edge because often casts are made in two parts.

Could be a coin weight given the shape, or just a weight for scales

That isn't right.

I also feel I have nothing to add to most threads, The underlying die doesn't have to be a shilling

In that case it's genuinely wrong, which I suspected as the surfaces look cast. The weight should be 1.4 to 1.5g approx. The weight will vary, but not by a lot. e.g. the one below weighs 1.45g.

Ah, the transatlantic invasion of words that invariably seem to be a little 'wrong' - such as ebay's or amazon's use of 'buyer/seller experience'. Globalisation has created many such incongrueties of which my favourite is probably the Mitsubishi Starion. Given the other two models were the Colt and Lancer, this had to be a misprunt based on a Japanese person interpreting a fellow countryman.

The look suggests to me it might be a copy despite being battered. What's the weight? Clive will be up to date with all the copies of PAXS pennies. If a copy, then south of the couple pounds it costs to get one in a museum shop, if genuine a couple hundred at most because the mint isn't legible. The surfaces don't look good.

No idea, but using phrases like that are presumably Chinese?

It's just part of life's general trend. Given there are few easy options that haven't been tried, the only way to stand out is to become ever more eccentric or outlandish. As someone who grew up in an era when a pub crawl involving 15 different breweries' ales meant visiting 15 different establishments, the concept of having 15 variations of the same basic cider on the same shelf seems a bit strange and smacks of the marketing man trying to override the pleasures of trying different companies' products. As cider must have a legal definition, presumably these are just flavoured concoctions? Rhetorical question, but what was wrong with dry, medium or sweet?

Empty barrel.

Probably because the question of reused dies has been addressed here before? Adding a reply along similar lines is akin to a typical academic paper where previously published facts are repackaged and then regurgitated, all from the need to publish a paper in your own name. It is very difficult to continually put a new slant on a topic, and as for adding new material every time then forget it. This is a recurring problem for me at places such as our coin club because I struggle to find sufficient new material to talk about that can't be found elsewhere. There is no way I can do a talk more frequently than every other year without repeating myself - which would bore people. Anyway, to address the question. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that diestock was reused time and again, with perhaps the most obvious example being the Exeter shilling that went through DNW a few years ago which had 2 nearly full reverse designs visible. There is no practical reason why a die would need to be melted after use as it is not a precision piece of engineering, being just a length of bar with a design engraved on the end. Of greater interest would be the identity of the underlying die. A reversed N should be quite easy to find when it comes to narrowing down the die options.

Splendid, another subsidiary living under the corporate iFault banner.

First look I thought it was more a case of copper farthing - no copper. Maybe they are pretend stops?

Copulative omega Thanks for that. Now I can sleep happy !!! Moneyer mark perhaps ? The copulative was issue dependant some have omega and some a bar. The moneyer mark was his name

I could sell you a 1971 set, but I guess you don't want to know that - and a Trinidad and Tobago, and a Bahamas..

Copulative omega