Rob

The easiest and most cost effective way is to buy a complete library (obviously after checking the contents, of course). Doing that enabled me to expand it by about 1500 catalogues, with only 200 duplicates left over. That's cost effective. Still need hundreds of important ones though, and thousands if you include the minor sales,

It may predate it. If the wax was left there in 1919 then the cast would show the line. Key will be confirming that the wax is definitely not present in 1916. As the cast is taken from the wax impression, it would be in the Bliss catalogue if deposited at that time. Looking a bit harder, I am inclined to believe that it was deposited in 1919 as I can't see anything on the reverse either by the P or on the leg of the N in Bliss. The obverse wax is in the Hamilton Smith catalogue fortuitously as these images are unusually crisp.

Find them and buy them. Sorry, don't have any spares of these.

Not the first time coins have been listed without. Seen it on dealer sites too. Personally I like to know as much as possible about a coin's 'collectable' history and I can't see it would do any harm. Perhaps it's just more work than they think it's worth putting in? But it feels like they're missing a trick there. The only people that benefit would appear to be the buyers who end up with a more interesting coin than the competition realised. Most unbusinesslike! . Don't whinge. You might be on the receiving end of some nice info one day.

Jon Mann spent some time looking up provenances, but he only had so much time to do it. 300 lots can't be researched thoroughly in a few months.

Attached images as follows. The obverse is from Hamilton Smith 1919 where you can see the thin line of wax above the horse's head. This catalogue didn't show the reverses. The reverse is the Wheeler catalogue where you can see the blob by the P at the bottom. I can't show the obverse as it is too close to the spine - i.e the catalogue would disintegrate. I can't see any wax on the Bliss images, but they aren't the best.

I haven't got any evidence for the use of wax impressions post-WW2. There were few things illustrated during the war making an end date difficult to define. It is likely that the wax is restricted to the period 1890-1945 for sales, but I think it was used in the immediate post-war period for BNJ illustrations. My Ed.IV heavy halfpenny has a lot of wax on it and the only place I am aware it is illustrated is in Blunt and Whitton's article in vol.25 (1945-8). Not everything with wax was illustrated in a catalogue. The Edward the Elder penny I posted on p.359 of this thread has a small spot of wax on the reverse which it transpires was from when the BM took a cast for their records. Lockett bought the coin at the Vatican Hoard sale in 1929, but as it is unique, the BM didn't have an example hence the cast. You can narrow the potential sales from the colour of the wax too.

Actually, the wax could be either from the above or also Hamilton Smith (1919) or Wheeler (1930), both of which were given in the Slaney catalogue

Only Bliss (which is where the wax will be from), but the above provenance is given in the catalogue. Montagu was the first illustrated sale in 1895-7.

It was illustrated in the Bliss sale lot 368, 22/3/1916 bt Spink. From there it trundles back to Trattle 1832 lot 640 via Durrant 589 (1847), Martin 263 (1858), Bergne 669 (1873), Rostron 247 (1892) and Clark 218 (1898) Super provenance.

Same from me. Haven't seen you for a bit?

It's a mule between a left facing bust die and a right facing die. What's wrong with that? 7 or $800 all in for a coin worth a fiver seems a heavy price to pay for relying on the TPG. Only question is, will it be returned as a wrong un? Check the September catalogue to find out.

Doubt it. They didn't do piedforts until they started striking in silver. It should be just a regular proof

We have more progress. My son has configured something so that the DNS? is now pointing to BT and Google whatever that means. Something about the BT IP blocking some sites, which in this case he thought it might be conflicting with 'The Goldbergs' - something about stopping piracy, though why anyone would want to pirate that or worse still watch it is beyond me. Good news is that I can now log in and place bids. Thanks to all for putting up with my stupid questions.

Still can't see any Bid Live link. Anyone familiar with it. When I was last able to bid nearly 2 years ago, I vaguely recall there was a live bid link - can't find it. Also, although the auctions and account have drop down menus, alll the other tabs on the top just say page not found, so I suspect we aren't out of the woods yet. God I'm depressed.

PROGRESS!!!! My son has downloaded Chrome to add to the confusion (3 search engines ). However, using images.goldbergauctions.com/php/auctions.php now brings up the catalogue. Somewhat disconcertingly, he also ran some program called CC Cleaner which has removed about 7Gb of files, so God knows what won't work now. I know I had to log in to this forum for a start, whereas it usually works automatically ok. Bloody technology. Still doesn't work with www.goldbergcoins.com though

10am is the ancients. World Coins and minors doesn't start until 2pm Pacific time. i.e. 10pm.

Yep. That's 10pm UK time, but the British are 300 lots in. No idea what that is in Oz time

That and others.

Thanks. Nothing is too basic at my level of understanding. Not sure how to do the above, so I'll ask my son to get Chrome and disable Firefox and do anything else that might help.

Good, so I'm not the only one. It isn't just not being able to log on that is my problem. My computer can't find www.goldbergcoins.com. i.e the website. I wish it was as simple as a login problem as they would probably be more helpful. Thankfully, Goldbergs is the only auction site this has happened - which also suggests it isn't necesarily my computer. Question for anybody. To eliminate my computer, is it possible for a computer to block access to a site and give the site not found page? I would expect a message saying access denied rather than can't find site, should this be the case. I'm also using Firefox, which I have had for a long time and has worked in the past.

4 months on and nothing's changed. Why, why, why, why, why? The unhelpful oppo at the other end just said it works for everyone else, so must be your fault. Type in www.goldbergcoins.com/view-auctions/sales and it allegedly gets me to their auction. Great. I can't access the site or even the home page, let alone bid. Another unhelpful business model which doesn't appreciate custom. Good job there are plenty of alternative places to spend your money. Pity though, given there's a Benediction hand Ethelred penny in the sale.

I didn't think Microsoft supported Windows at all, even though it's their product. A few years ago I phoned them up and they said I had to talk to Currys. However competent he was, I think it is highly unlikely that a spotty 17 year old kid will know Windows better than a Microsoft support person - or maybe as a private individual I wasn't worth talking to.

that's got to be shilled

Oops. Forgot that. Much easier to find nice hammered than milled. Problem corrected. Don't see above. If you get my drift.