Rob

Ended, relisted and now ended again on the grounds there was an error in the listing........... like it was dodgy?

No. £2000-2500 for a brockage. Bun penny brockages are not that rare. I agree with a figure in the upper hundreds, but not thousands.

That's a silly price.

I thought about the Alfred too. The estimates are a joke as is the norm nowadays. £1200-1500 for a coin about EF against Spink book at £2750 in VF. There isn't much in this sale for me.

If it's a half guinea it ought to weigh closer to 3g. That suggests it isn't gold.

Don't know because eBay is a total lottery. Is the bull head D/T in DEI? You should check it out.

It looks reasonably stop free. There might be a trace of a blocked stop between ET & HIB. We shouldn't be surprised about a reverse with no stops as most denominations have at least one die without stops recorded, and even when noted for an issue you may well find it is only given for one year - that is until an example turns up dated for the preceding or subsequent year. Coincraft only prices it marginally higher than the regular reverse, so I suspect it wouldn't generate too much interest unless in an unambiguous higher grade.

Yes - CCGB 2014 gives : VF £65 EF £300 VF £70 EF £250 VF £80 EF £300 which I think are more realistic than Spink tbh. Other way round I think. An EF 1823 second reverse for £300 for example would be nice if you could find one at that price. Don't know about the prices for low grade pieces as I haven't been looking.

Could do with a bigger picture to confirm whether it is weak stops or not. I wouldn't get too fixated on whether the variety is in Spink or not as there is only a limited amount of space to play with. It is listed in Coincraft (W3CR-080). No one reference will ever have all the varieties listed, because as soon as one publishes such a list, someone will come along with another variety that isn't listed. Think in terms of Blackadder 3 and Dr Johnson

It looks like a T, but the grade isn't the best. Attached is what Spink had to say about Adams 346. I think the jury is out until a good well struck example is available.

A bit more realistically than the prices above. If you have any of the above coins available in the grades and prices above I will take the lot. Spink gives 1817 bull head £90 VF, £450 EF 1821 £95 VF, £400 EF 1823 (2nd rev) £100, £475

In that case the 2/- ought to pre-date the siege that started in the autumn, i.e June, July or August/early-Sept. It should be possible to confirm this by comparing punch wear for the letters given the same dies are involved. It would also imply the dies used are the first ones made at Pontefract. The question really is, who would be that important? Charles is locked up, Prince Charles is in France, Rupert and Maurice are in exile on the continent. There aren't a large number of important Royalists about. In the overall scheme of things, Langdale was one of Charles' most important commanders, running the show in the north of England.

Not so sure about presentation pieces. Why would an emergency siege issue have presentation pieces? It is allegedly money of necessity, not an ego trip.

The two previous sales show 3 small brighter marks before the N, up from the tail of the 2 and before the C. That isn't seen on the latest listing. If taken out and replaced, what's to say it isn't a mule of the wrong sort i.e. a 1983 obverse milled out and a NEW PENCE reverse dropped in (or vice-versa)? I notice that no feedback was left for either of the two previous listings.

It helps the balance of a collection to be in similar grades though. There's nothing worse than a row of BU pieces with a black sheep in the middle. Having said that, sometimes the best known is only Fine or VF at which point you have to either accept it or move on. If a coin is simply rare in a certain grade, you are better off waiting.

Presumably thicker. I've never had it in the hand.

It is an opinion based on weight and nothing else. The 2/- is 9.85g, the shillings are normally 5g - ish.

Hasn't he twigged that deliberate misrepresentation is also a breach of eBay policy, and an offence to boot when designed to increase the return by choosing the rare option every time? It looks like he would be well advised to spend any court winnings on a literacy course. I hope that he isn't going to claim that he was unaware of any misrepresentation, as a feedback of over 20000 would belie that claim. Whilst it might be apparent that he hasn't a clue, I don't think it is the case. It's very tempting to send him on a course in numismatics - in Dundee.

How often does he get reported to eBay for incorrect or misleading descriptions? Presumably reasonably frequently, but I assume nothing gets done on account of the large amount of cash that eBay make through his listings. An occasional wrong description will happen to everyone at some point because of copy and paste fouling up, but when they default to the more expensive option it would be unreasonable to assume an accidental error. This guy is so bad he would even list a mangled1967 penny as Richard III. I remember when he first started on eBay and quickly noted that description and grade were normally at odds with my own assessment. I see nothing has changed in the last 10 years and is still a by-word for a seller to avoid. On the plus side, nobody is useless - they can always be used as a bad example. He could really up his game if he sub-contracted the identification bit, and the grading bit, and the description bit........Everything is graded very good or very fine or especially fine ( that's Extremely Fine to coinies). Remarkably, fine doesn't seem to exist as a grade in his listings. It's all very depressing.

This is £25K for a sub-£100 coin. No argument about stores of wealth is going to hold in cases like this unless you are referring to someone storing their wealth at Saxby's

My why? was directed at anybody who would even think about bidding £25K for a London short cross. The Lichfield cl.2 short cross would only sell for between 5 & 10K in all probability, so why take a London mint short cross and bid it to these levels unless someone is taking the p***. I'll have a fiver on it not completing. If it does, they can afford to buy their own sanitorium.

Why?

I would say that more importantly it doesn't look as if the coin has had any abrasive applied to remove dirt. That's the killer, not lifting off dirt with soapy water or acetone which can give variable results depending on where and how much dirt was present.

Welcome to the forum. There is a coin fair on the last Sunday of every month except December at the Cedar Court Hotel, just off junction 39 of the M1. It opens at 9:30 am and would be your best bet. As Paulus mentioned, the Harrogate fair is on Friday 21st and Saturday 22nd at the Swan Hotel, but I would be amazed if you managed to pick up anything dated 1967 there. As a rule, something as common as 1967 coins are not taken to fairs because the dealer knows he is unlikely to sell any. Harrogate is more akin to the York fairs (January & July) where there are dealers from across the country and typically with higher quality stock (for which read more expensive). When you go to a fair, don't be afraid to ask questions. We are all more than happy to help, not rip people off.

It is one of a few reigns (Henry 1 is another) where the scarcity of the reign is almost as important as the mint. The premium for a rare mint rarely seems to exceed 30% for W2, whereas for common reigns such as Cnut, we are talking an order of magnitude (or more)