Rob

Just had fun and games with BT. Couldn't even log in today. They are still convinced it is working fine. I'm not. I suspect the emails were given to someone on the last redundancy list and they've left. The woman I spoke to checked the email/forwarding settings, but nothing is blocked apparently, so it looks as if Peck's sister and myself are two of a kind.

thanks Nick. I'm sure it has to be random BT filtering, because there is no consistency to it and no signs of attributed junk. Just a shame that it isn't possible to use the outlook settings to tell BT what to block or remove.

I think that the same inconsistencies existed then as now. Some dealers would grade higher than other and others lower. Actually, not a problem for the experienced collector as long as there is consistency, but a nightmare for the novice when they want to sell their overgraded material at a later date.

Thanks folks. Looks like mine might be too old a version (2010) for the above. Sadly it says email settings have no filters for preventing junk mail and there's nothing in the bad address list which still leaves the problem of those that go awol. I never get junk mail in the inbox or junk box as it always disappears before getting to me.

Edward III pre-treaty penny of London. EDWARDVS only appears in Ed.III.

I'm not. That was the early 80s when the only thing you would see on the river was a 3 piece suite and a table floating downstream. All that was missing was the TV and viewer. Since then I know someone pulled a 17lb pike out of the Irwell by the Crescent. Things have come a long, long way since the orange river Irk (paint factory) met the purple Irwell (dye factory) below Victoria station.

Looks like his crown, not a moon, with the crescent in the legend part of an S

Peck's from Scouseland. You don't get a lot of goldcrests in Liverpool or anywhere else up here. In fact it is only 30 years since I saw a duck for the first time on the River Irwell having waited 6 or 7 years for such an event..

Can someone put this in simple terms so that an idiot like me can understand? I don't understand the criteria used for treating something as spam, nor do I know how to avoid it, nor do I know how to kid/tell the system to let things from people through. It has got so bad here that the wife forwarding me an email from the floor below frequently gets blocked by the email people such that it doesn't even get to my spam box. It just disappears. Not very good and not happy.

The initial cross goes back to Saxon times, when I assume it had religious significance. The cross used on medieval coins varied (+ fleury, patonce, pattee etc) by which time you would suspect it was used as an identifier rather than a religious symbol. It's use on coins of the present reign will be a resurrection of a design feature as opposed to having any significance.

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Centisles has long been recognised as one to avoid. He could save time and increase his profits by not self-slabbing and p***ing off the customer when they receive the goods in question which will never be the grade assigned on the label by most peoples' standards

It might be the first complete coin known of this type, but the Tutbury cut half on eBay was also a Stephen. It sold for £158. It's quite possible that the half wasn't recorded, as many finds just end up on eBay without people going to the trouble of logging them. I've been looking for an image, but it seems I have lost it for the moment. I suspect it got erased during a periodic clean up of the pictures folder to make space for new ones

Coins of a slightly different style have been given to Tutbury on the basis of the mint reading. Essentially a crude bust of what is otherwise a normal Stephen penny with a voided cross and outward pointing lis in the angles. Your coin with the martlets in the angles was previously known only at Derby. There was a cut half of Tutbury on ebay about 2 years(?) ago. The reigns of Henry I, Stephen and the Anarchy are the least represented of all reigns in numismatic terms, with new mints, moneyers and even types recorded on a regular basis, an estimate that we know of only a third of the mint outputs in this period would not be too wide of the mark. e.g. Last week at the Timelines sale they had a Stephen penny from a previously unknown moneyer at a mint that wasn't known to be striking Stephen pennies (Wareham). Previously it was only known with coins of Matilda during this period. Two lots later was a coin attributed to Cirencester during the Anarchy. A generation ago, this mint wouldn't have even been suggested as a possible location. This period in history is quite fluid at the moment due to recent discoveries such as the Box hoard where previously unknown mints were attributed as a result of the contents. Your coin fills yet another hole in the jigsaw.

To me. All contributions gratefully received. Ta.

If it needs a new home, I would be willing to act as a repository.

Don't know who attributed it, but the mint signature is TVT.

The problem is that you have to sift through the crap to find the occasional gem. I'm only on this planet for three score years and ten. It's ok for you youngsters though.

Block the crap sellers. Gradually build up your list. Ebay were meant to limit sales to 100 listings per month.This doesn't seem to work. When you get stuff like this it is cringeworthy. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290953441637?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 trouble is punters occasionally actually buy this tat. I just block eBay (wouldn't have a clue how to block individuals). I don't bother going on very often, and when I do it is just to search for a specific item.

I think ebay is saturated. Too much rubbish means too few viewers of quality because they can't find what they're looking for. 6 or 7 years ago there were 100 pages of British listed. Now it is 1000 - mostly c**p. There simply aren't that many people looking for junk. Go to a regular auction and the sifting has already been done to a large extent.

Mary, Philip and Mary, Cromwell, and James II will be the most expensive to fill. A Mary groat is about the cheapest option, and you don't get a lot for £250. Philip and Mary you can do with a base penny. £200 would buy a nice one. Cromwell will break the bank unless you economise elsewhere, and there isn't really much in the way of cheap J2 apart from maundy.

Hint. Some of the reigns are prolific, others have a few cheap options and an awful lot of expensive ones. Sort out the latter first and use the common ones to diversify.

George VI might be a problem. There's no 'Goldilocks' coin at that value. A quality 1946 or 1949 threepence would be over this as would the gold or proofs. Most of the rest are cheap as chips, but I would however consider selling anything with a value of £10 for £150-250 if you are desperate. With the best will in the world, you will struggle to spend too much on the later monarchs, so why not set a target for the total spend? That way you can get a better example of the rarer ones.

Value is a question of grade, as always. Searching out past auctions would be the best indicator here. If identifying them is a problem, I suggest you get yourself a copy of Dalton & Hamer for the 18th century pieces. I'm sure there will be something on line, but with the book it is always to hand and if you have a large number to identify, it is always easier to thumb a book. An original would cost a few hundred pounds, but there should be a modern reprint available for less than a tenner. The other book to consider would be Davis, 19th Century Token Coinage. Both are standard references. Try Amazon or AbeBooks.

I wouldn't give either side better than EF. Britannia's fingers are flat holding the trident and so is her thumb on the shield with quite a significant flattened area