Rob

Does anyone have a Henry VII York Royal Mint halfgroat, and if so how much does it weigh? Spink 2212 and 2213 refer. Thanks.

1928 crown

I just realised what your second paragraph meant, Rob. I thought you were having a go at someone else for using emoticons, when you had just used one yourself! Let's try: a) c) Seems to work for me? Edit: See what you mean now! Probably relies on the assumption that most written things on the web are drivel, and so have no point to make.

You can pick up close to EF Romans from £30-40 apiece. High grade examples of many types are surprisingly cheap with relatively few costing three, four or five figures. It probably isn't worth the risk of buying unknown items from ebay when you can go to a coin fair and peruse the trays. a) you get a better idea of what is out there and you are buying from people who are knowledgable and are usually willing to discuss. Many items on ebay are sold by people who haven't a clue, as the eBay laughs thread will show. Every other coin is rare, and most of those that aren't are overgraded anyway. Stupid emoticons won't allow you to make a point b. It's little wonder that textspeak rules if a smiley takes precedence over a logical sequence. Doh.

If you are just starting out and know next to nothing, ebay has a large selection of copies waiting for people like you to snap up. Tread very carefully when buying decent looking coins from there. Roman copies are abundant as are later items. This is something that various members point out on a regular basis, though with next to no one collecting Roman, or at least specialising in them, these copies are likely to slip under the forum radar. Have a look at the forgery network for copies listed and wildwinds for a pretty comprehensive lsiting of Roman coins.

5/5, but the underlying digit was so far adrift it was in danger of dating the coin to the previous millennium. It isn't a 6 because that looks like the 9 without the blob on the end of the tail. This one isn't at the end of a downwards curve.

Other than as a blocked die variety you mean? What I mean is that no stop varieties are usually associated with no date vaieties. i.e there's b***** all detail in the first place. Blocked dies are the usual reason. You might, but it depends on whether the variety was incorporated as a result of someone informing them. Every year I put in a few suggestions, some are used and others not. You have to give the reason so the claim can be verified by a second opinion otherwise you can imagine what the result would be if all the claimed errors/varieties were included (The Elizabeth II brass 3d dated 1952 from another thread springs to mind). Whether they would keep details of the informant is another matter.

Rare coin this no stop variety in such high grade. Usually it is found paired with the no date reverse. As to whether the 1700 no stop is a blocked die - I don't know having never seen any other examples, but given the number of no stops varieties that are only seen in low grade I suspect it may possibly not exist.

The army has had a permanent garrison on the island since the Falklands War in 1982. When the resident group relieved by another and return home it is quite likely that the odd piece of Falkland currency returns with them.

The slight toning discolouration on the last picture makes me think it should have one. The flaw at this point doesn't help and may have contributed to the lack of raised feature. I guess that if there isn't one in any relief and there is no circular mark defining the limits of a stop then it would have to be classed as the no stop variety, but still wonder whether it was missing from the die or not.

Blame a member of HM armed forces for that one methinks.

Speculation, but maybe a shortage of dies at a crucial time when a particular consignment of silver needed to be coined and no D4-6 die was available (or perhaps had even been made at that point). The overmark on the reverse should date the issue early in portcullis, so we are probably talking 2nd or 3rd week in July 1633 given the absolute rarity of the obverse die. I've not looked for other dies, but a thought just struck me that the portcullis mark was cut with particularly straight sided detail, so no indication of a worn punch. This might be useful for determining individual die chronology.

The rarest is probably the Negro's Head which was only struck between November 1626 to April 1627 in small quantities. Next rarest is the Heart mark (Jun 1630- Jun 31). But because the coins were individually made a number of dies were re-used (or their use extended) by later adding a different mint mark, and some of these 'overmarks' are also rare. And a few coins seem to have been made with the wrong, or an unusual, mark not normally found for that particular variety. For example this is not a terribly rare coin, issued during the Harp mark. But somehow two examples survive with the Portcullis mark; so a regular coin made very rare if you can find another with this mark! And it's made even more complicated (or challenging, depending on your point of view) by the fact that there are some coins that are easy enough to find in poor to Fine condition, but to get a better than average example is both time consuming and probably expensive. In other words it's not just the mint mark that determines scarcity, but condition and irregular features not normally found with that issue. I was looking at one of the two portculis coins on Monday night. DH and me were both in agreement about the reverse which we think is over harp, but decided the jury is out on the obverse. I'm inclined to think it is also over harp (which would make sense) as there is a slightly inclined line from left to right starting at the top of the portcullis. There are also small lumps which could be the two ends of a harp or a double struck portcullis. The one thing that is missing is a trace of diagonal harp strings within the grid of the portcullis, which would of course confirm the undermark.

Probably because no study is ever finished. However complete a collection is, another find is always just around the corner. It is quite logical to work on it as long as possible with all the reference material to hand.

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And banknotes by prefix numbers etc.

That's the trouble when you want/spot the best I guess! You've just got to be there on the day when your competitor is sat on the hard-shoulder of the M4 waiting for the AA, then it's party time. The 1561 sixpence I wanted would have sold at it's opening bid of £140 if the other guy was otherwise indisposed! The one I was most interested in was the Henry VIII half crown with the rose/lis over rose marks. That coin isn't the best available, but having done all the spadework I was willing to buy it up to the hammer price. The problem with the lis over rose mark is that it doesn't occur on the groats, so you are stuck with either a crown of the double rose (which I also need for the HA and HI marked coins), the corresponding halfcrown or the Worcester groat. The last named will cost 2 or 3 times that of a Henry VIII gold piece and have all the aesthetic qualities of a lump of roadkill. I don't particularly want to play 'Guess what it is'.

I also thought it possible that the coin had been mounted or held by a clasp at some point. Look at the flattened beading above the bust and the horizontal mark on the cross end at 6 o'clock.

I had a frustrating day. Four things went to my max in the room before the internet bids were entertained and two went way beyond. 0 from 6 is not good.

Just a box-standard, most common of all the Elizabeth sixpences (lot 396)! Also, I can't stop returning to look at the threepence (399), still haven't decided about that one, even now! The sixpence isn't really a better grade, it's just a little more 'balanced,' I'm just not certain about that obverse tone, so I'm trusting in poor white balance on this occasion. You will doubtless be pleased to know that although it was on my initial provisional list, it has now been discarded. Hah, yes, definitely so...not sure I want a handbag duel with you, just yet, you have to let me grow big and strong first! Thanks for the consideration, though, Rob! All went smoothly, I managed to get 3 bids away successfully on lot 396, I just didn't want to go to the next increment which, with fees & post, would've had me at £335 - the very top end for a regular sixpence, as far as my pocket (and understanding) is concerned at least! AND lot 399, are you sure you discarded it? Off the scale again for me, I never even started! Great tool, though, will be using it again! With the good images you've got half a chance! Thanks for all the tips, Viva la Saleroom! Flat quarter in the shield. It isn't impossible to get a decent eglantine anyway as the mark is hardly rare. Need to concentrate on getting the eglantine over marks first, then I can see what denominations I don't have with the mark and elsewhere and concentrate on these.

Just a box-standard, most common of all the Elizabeth sixpences (lot 396)! Also, I can't stop returning to look at the threepence (399), still haven't decided about that one, even now! The sixpence isn't really a better grade, it's just a little more 'balanced,' I'm just not certain about that obverse tone, so I'm trusting in poor white balance on this occasion. You will doubtless be pleased to know that although it was on my initial provisional list, it has now been discarded.

I don't know if you ever watch Bargain Hunt on BBC? Some of those auctions feature internet bidders. They are treated just like floor bidders, except as has been noted, competing floor bidders will get the main auctioneer attention (but think about it - if you were there in person and two people were slugging it out, you would wait until EITHER they passed your maximum OR one dropped out, at which point you would jump in; so with the internet). As for not getting noticed, if only one bidder is left on the floor, the auctioneer will always glance towards the phones/computers before hammering - he will want to be sure there are no more competing bids. The only problem would be if you suffered an internet dropout, or there was a server delay; but there's nothing you can do about those situations anyway. So don't worry! As happened at Spink last week. Spink Live was dead. I wrote the day off and did something else. Pity though because there were a couple of nice guineas in the sale.

Special delivery plus a little bit for packaging. £10 in the odd hundred or thousand or two won't break the bank.

Thanks, Dave, I'm actually feeling nervous! Can't say I ever experienced major nerves on the floor before! I think on this occasion the Live Bidding is free, but StJames 20% "PLUS" VAT is a little strong! Guess I'll just have to factor it in! Spink, DNW, St. James's, Baldwins are all charging this. Just add a quarter to your maximum bid.

It will all work fine.