Rob

The weight is 1.95g. Nothing in Wilkinson, have not got Brown. Despite being slightly clipped, it still appears to be slightly undersized to be a 6d. However considering there is no evidence of any such groat and assuming it is not a forgery, I assume it must be an unusually small 6d flan in combination with slight clipping. It can go in the scrap hammered pile for eventual bulk sale unless new evidence comes to light. Sounds like a copy. A well worn sixpence would still weigh around 2.5-2.6g. To take 20% more off that would require more clipping.

There isn't anything to suggest it is a groat. It looks like a 6d because it's slightly clipped and in any case they came on different flan sizes - see Spink p.254. The mark is pheon, so 1561 ish onwards. It should be possible to confirm that with the weight. From your questions I presume it doesn't conform to any of the descriptions in Spink, Brown Comber and Wilkinson or any other reference, so do you suspect a forgery? It's so dire that I can't imagine anyone would want it, though I suppose there's always a willing buyer on eBay as I presume you are looking to sell? Don't ask anyone to identify the bust type though unless specific to the flan size.

Slightly more mundane. A pattern shilling in copper.

That's an early milled beauty, it really is. Just supposing your dreams came true and you had the funds to realise it, how much would that set you back? £9645.25 plus postage at 2003 prices

You don't want this one, the lustre is suspect.

Now I get it, it's your birthday present. Happy birthday and well done the person who chose it for you.

No groats, not even patterns. There is a dated 1st issue penny, but not much else. The countermarked Edward VI shillings from 1560 were dated, though the date was obviously either 1549, 1550 or 1551.

Scott, you remind me of the son of a person I met from London about 20-25 years ago. When we first met, his immediate reply was "Cor, you dun ahf talk funny mite" - an unlikely arrangement of letters and words. ..Yes, well..... Unlike my friend's son, is there any danger of using your mother tongue in a written form that I can recognise? It's worse than Azda's teutonic iPhone. Thanks in advance.

Is that yours, and if so is it the one that Roddy had? my pin brain thought it was ExBarr, did not see your prior reply Could be for all I know. I just remember Roddy having one recently.

If we are in fantasy mode, will Father Xmas bring me one of these please? Ceonwulf penny David No we aren't in fantasy mode. That's not allowed. If you get hold of it, please could you bring along the Hywel Dda penny for me while you're at it. Ta very much.

Is that yours, and if so is it the one that Roddy had?

I live in a thousand parallel universes where each has a different piece to idolise, so here's a coin from one of them. Peck 834 thick flan silver proof halfpenny and my website logo coin.

The images are a bit small. You need straight on clear pictures with this series because portrait and letter features determine the type and hence the reign.

He has.

I have problems with the "Ashby" attribution. Lots of things don't add up when taken as part of the A & B mint scenario hypothesised by Boon.

How about rare coin in a common grade?

Dire, but as Hobson's Coice - desirable.

You buy it and I'll lend you the Brasso. Incidentally, do both Rob's higher grade coin and that on E-bay look as if the 7 has been struck over a 6, or is it just me? I can't see it on Rob's second image, but the other two do especially Rob's first image. I looked at that coin from every conceivable angle, but could never convince myself there was an underlying 6 other than from the image and so sold it as a straight 7. I also couldn't see it past gEF because it had obviously been dipped and lightly wiped at some point. The rim was also a bit grotty at 6 o'clock, so it had to go as I only needed a type example which I filled with an 1826 proof. I think that most dates exist with overcut last digits for most years throughout the 1800s if you look carefully enough. Maybe not the YH Victorian crowns, but certainly for most of the lower denominations.

Don't think so. For what it's worth, the two below were on the website in the past couple of years. The first one looks to have the same slightly smaller 7 which is possibly over a 6. Apologies in advance for the autodefocus on the second one.

A few years ago I went to buy some vinyl flooring for the bathroom; the rolls were 2 metre wide, but the carpet shop sold lengths by the yard! Crazy system, our kids are taught metric at school, but the real world exists in imperial The French ditched £sd (Livres, sols, et deniers) in 1800 and introduced the standard metre and kilogram The whole world (except ouselves and the Americans) uses metric in everyday life, and all science and engineering is now in SI units (no more Horse Power or Foot Poundals) So why do we insist on buying boiled ham in ounces? It is a crazy system, David, as we are neither one thing nor the other. At least the continentals and the Americans are unashamedly either metric or imperial. But I'll still stick to buying a quarter of ham at the deli If you are numerate, it doesn't matter which system(s) you use. The wonderfully convenient calculator was the downfall of mental arithmetic. If I play darts I use chalk to mark, but frequently seem to be in a minority of one or two. The majority can't do basic sums, but can prod a keypad - sounds familiar? If people use a machine to calculate even basic sums, then metric is the only way. Standardising is extremely useful as it helps to prevent cock-ups such as the Mars lander where a combination of imperial and metric units caused it to hit the surface at three times the intended speed.

The buyers in the salerooms have been both UK & US. The demand is quite deep rooted now with a lot of new entrants to the market. A good demonstration of this is given by bidder numbers at the various houses. In the last 5 or 6 years the number or registered clients has at least doubled. It is this base which is responsible for the price hikes. More people have more money (than a decade ago) and given the financial instability, you might as well take a punt and lose it because all governments are guaranteed to *** it up against the wall for you. What they don't have or know about, they can't take. In these uncertain finacial times i cannot see how people have more money. My old workplace in the UK have not had a wage rise in 4 years, they are always letting people go, higher fuel prices etc is always eating away at the middle classes pockets, so i'm stumped as to where the big money is coming from, hence my view that a normal working class hobbiest cannot sustain large price hikes in UNC coins and will inevitably drop a grade to try and keep their collection ticking over. Lets bear in mind that not all collectors come from London or Manchester where there is higher salaries. There is hobbiests all over who must be feeling the squeeze with lower salaries and higher living costs, hence my view that the VF+ and EF grades will eventually rise due to these factors Wages have stagnated in the last 3 -4 years, but prior to that wages were buoyant due to the apparent success of the economy because the government was spending much more than it took in taxes. Government spending exceeded taxation receipts by hundreds of billions in cash terms between 2000 and 2005. That is a huge influx of money into the system which stimulated the economy and fed through into wage packets via the increased public sector employment and government spending to service these jobs which fed into the private sector wage packets. Some of this was spent on consumables by the people who had to have the latest gadgets or a new car etc. For some people saving is a complete anathema, but half the people of this country pay off their credit cards every month and save the money that is surplus. That money now sitting in savings accounts is being eroded by increased inflation or the danger that the finacial institution could go t**s up and is held by precisely the same people who would typically collect coins. In recessionary times people feel insecure, but in reality only a small percentage of people lose their job which is the real killer for discretionary expenditure. A lot of people who have no money now, didn't have it in the past either. If you have money on deposit, and the rate of return is less than inflation, you are better off spending it. Asset prices must inevitably rise to reflect the amount of money in circulation that is backing those assets i.e the inflation figures have to show an increase to take account of the additional money that has been printed and pumped into the system. Collectors don't buy coins solely from disposable income at the end of the month otherwise there would be virtually no market for coins over a few thousand pounds - it has to come from liquidated savings.

The buyers in the salerooms have been both UK & US. The demand is quite deep rooted now with a lot of new entrants to the market. A good demonstration of this is given by bidder numbers at the various houses. In the last 5 or 6 years the number or registered clients has at least doubled. It is this base which is responsible for the price hikes. More people have more money (than a decade ago) and given the financial instability, you might as well take a punt and lose it because all governments are guaranteed to *** it up against the wall for you. What they don't have or know about, they can't take.

I'm not so sure about the collectors of UNC coins running out of money in the near future. Most collectors are people who live within their means and tend to have a bit of spare cash lying around. To buy lower grades in order to continue acquiring at the same rate doesn't fit the collecting mentality. If you want high grade coins you will continue to collect them. A collection is typically made up of a long term set of purchasing decisions. Some coins you will overpay for, others will be cheap, but in the long run things will even themselves out. It might possibly happen when the wants list is reduced to a handful of coins which they haven't a cat in hells chance of affording and the desire to complete is overwhelming, but otherwise I think most collectors will stay focussed.

I emailed her 4 days ago to say it was a modern repro and only worth a quid or two. Needless to say with it already at £410 the silence was deafening.

The key word is not toned, but monster. That's the word you invariably see when the toning is OTT and it comes from the States. It can be chemical, it can be heat, but which ever way you look at it, it ain't natural. The following for these coins has undoubtedly been underpinned by the TPGs slabbing them as genuine and untampered with. If they always came back as environmentally damaged, you would destroy a complete cottage industry.