Rob

https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?N=3184+792+4294934363&type=bodycopy-coinworld-news-tem100623 TPG grading of virtual currency. Can't wait for a CAC sticker to say it is genuine. Does a failed crypto currency systems warrant a details grade? Why does a virtual currency need a metal disc in any case? Surely their raison d'etre was to eliminate them? Touted as the most important physical collection of crypto currency ever to come to market, this has to be the biggest load b****cks seen in many a time.

I didn't say that Bitcoin had failed. I asked the question, how they would grade a failed virtual currency? If they are going to grade these things, then they have presumably had to verify that the contents are as it says on the label. The money is there or it's not. If the grading is for the plastic disc only, then that's silly. The money is in the virtual currency, not in the 'coin' and if the bitcoin has been wiped, who pays? Anyway, bitcoin is of limited value to the average person. I've got accounts with 4 different banks, and none of them will allow me to pay in Bitcoins. Nor indeed can I take it round the corner to buy a loaf of bread. But hey, I could be the proud owner of an almost unblemished piece of plastic valued at over £22K that I can't spend.

Thanks.

Did anyone buy anything from the Sanders collection at Noonans on the 19th July? If so, did it have a ticket resembling the attached? Ta.

Assume the edge was added manually, as it is incuse. So are all these edges 'unique'?

I've got a counterfeit 1792 Birmingham Mining & Copper Company 1/2d token here with the edge reading PAYABLL AT LONDON LIVERPOOL [ ] with the Ns reversed. The type is nominally D&H 109a, but that description gives a normal reading of PAYABLE etc. Were these edges added manually or is this a normal reading for the type with sloppy documentation? Ta.

Thanks Richard. I'd go with that. I was trying to find Gary's article on the site but failed, hence the request here. I thought it might be in publications, but that seems to be just books.

Not sure what the 2h refers to. It's nothing to do with Brooke which would have been appropriate for 1946. After that you are into BCW territory. Nothing in IDB's BNJ vol. 28 article helps. I think those images help, as the 9, H & E are of a different style. That might mean this is a G S Hopkins ticket from Baldwin's 30. Anyone with a known G S Hopkins ticket?

Mr T said that, not me. My point revolves around the different A marked dies and the use of the die letter in general. I appreciate the die letters are used with reverses E(B), F(C) & G(A) which would imply they are comparing the 3 designs, but why would they be comparing them in 1862 when all three were used in various obv/rev die pairs the year before? It isn't as if they had no data to go on given the large output in 1861. Unless they suddenly ran into a problem with rev. G for whatever reason and felt the need to revert to an earlier die to see if something could be improved. Then to have at least 3 different A dies raises the question as to why more than one was needed.

Assuming there's a pellet after REX, which isn't clear in the image but has the space for one, then it would be Withers 30a. This is the only Withers 30 not ending A. Other details above are correct.

Hmmm. The thing that stands out most here is the different positions of the two As to left of the lighthouse. The grotty one appears to be well circulated and presumably genuine as nobody would counterfeit a coin with a small A by the lighthouse when the majority of examples were bereft of any mark. The high grade one looks genuine too, so where does that leave the letters being a means of die identification? Back to the drawing board? The obvious inference is that not all As are equal, so with multiple dies extant, the letter must refer to something else - week, coining press, metal mix?

No idea as I haven't looked, but presumably only this reverse die or maybe an unknown second one. It's a die match to the one in Bull once you have sorted out the double striking. As a tun 3a1 variety it's bound to be rare as there are huge numbers of single stop dies with only a handful of 4 pellet stop dies to add. I would have thought the survival rates would be similar to other die pairs unless there were indications of a rapid disintegration (or a mint fresh hoard came to light), but don't know what that number is. There were examples in the North Yorks Moors and Tooze collections in DNW's archives.

Good luck. They were only struck for three months.

A report on how you get on would be useful. Aside from the good search facility, one of the real advantages of this forum is the indicator of which threads have posts you haven't read - and it goes to the first unread one with a simple click. Or alternatively, the new thread indicator which again goes to the first post. If you have to scroll back up through days of posts to get to the point where you last read, I can see an awful lot of things being missed, not to mention the need to separate out the different topics, which appears to be a major issue if replies get buried.

I think that sums up the biggest problem with FB. I might go a week without looking at the forum, or on other occasions visit a few times a day. Not all of us live on our phones, so difficulty in finding old posts and replying is a bit of a negative.

Is the restricted scope generally typical of FB? The above all have specific fields of interest unlike this or other forums. Is there anything with unrestricted cover? As Richard notes above, there are a few well known names about, but if the scope is limited, then it seems a wasted opportunity. Realistically, when dealing with more knowledgeable minds, you would probably be better speaking at a fair, phoning or emailing, which trumps any forum/group discussion which tend to have short posts because many people can't be bothered formulating or reading lengthy replies. From a personal perspective, I regularly end up discussing a query for anything from 10 minutes to an hour because few things are that straightforward.

Posts are only any use if they can be retrieved. Is there a search facility on FB? I ask this because the wife has used it but when she says I should look at this post - she can't find it because life has moved on and there's been a zillion replies, mostly of vacuous nonsense.

That's not too surprising, as everyone wants to make a quick buck and education improves decision making, which is unhelpful for sales in most instances. A comparison between rare as in half a dozen known and rare as in only a million struck puts things into perspective.

Most guesses of surviving numbers are underestimated, relying to a large extent on personal experience, which is a bit hit and miss as you can't pick up everything. There is no central database of coins, so you will almost always revise numbers upwards. The only exception to this is likely to be for cases of mis-identification where one type will reduce and another increase. Patterns and proofs are a bit more quantifiable. Additional examples from known dies can appear at any time, just as new die pairs appear on a regular basis. We only have a fraction of the story.

Yes, but they tend to get upset when you tell them. When I pointed out to someone on CoinTalk that 'I collect coins, while you collect opinions', he got a bit miffed. Diplomacy has never been my strong point, so if someone could enlighten me on how to call a spade a spade without offending, I would like to know.

Freeman, in response to Pies saying only the first on the list could be his coin. Hence the question whether the toning matched.

Different coin. None of the toning spots match, so make that 7 on the list.

Different coin. Those pictures are a 'PENNEY' obverse, not a dated one.

Or one not on the list. In the absence of any documentary evidence, does it match the image?

Small claims court.